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It's so easy to say it is selfish act. If you have never gone through depression ( and I have) you have no idea what it is like. Yes depression is a chemical imbalance, and if it gets so bad you just want out. And yes I got help thanks to medication and counseling. I would not wish it on anyone.
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to take your own possessions is certainly not selfish. |
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i meant before they die obviously.
you know improperly labelling them selfish would only make them that bit more suicidal. [This message has been edited by CannibalisticArtist (edited 12-18-2001).] |
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I didn't label suicidal people selfish. Just people who actually did it. |
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if i had a courage , i 'd probably did it , but the main thing is : my other active-live part is fighting and winning ( step by step ) , i can't do this right now , cause a lot of bad feelings will be in my parents , relatives , friends , and other people who knows me::::;; minds ;;;;;;
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Its selfish, yes, but does selfish is necessarily a bad thing ? Its the most personnal decision of a person. This world is fucked-up. You can kill someone (i.e.: legal guns), but you cannot decide to kill yourself cos it's selfish. It's the most personnal decision of a 'normal' person ('normal' i.e.: in a occidental way, I don't know about the other cultures).
Is it selfish ? Yes. Is it selfish in a bad way ? Not always... its a minority. I never felt the act of my friend did was selfish just to say "fuck you" to all of his familly, friends and her lover. It was a selfish act, cos otherwize he would have drown the world. It's certainly not stupid. I refuse to admit that suicide is stupid. Cheers ------------------ United Nations : www.un.org - UNICEF (United Nations Children's Fund) : www.unicef.org UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) : www.unesco.org «Je suis le dernier homme. Contre tous, je me défendrai...» "I am the last man. Against all, I shall defend myself..." - 'Rhinocéros', Ionesco "Eternity is a long time, especially towards the end.» - Woody Allen |
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I disagree. Suicide is stupid. |
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i suppose going into battle knowing that you probably would die could be also considered suicide, how do you think the families of the army feel about their loved ones going into battle? are they(the soldiers who died) selfish too, because they GAVE their life away for their country and what they stood for? oh but they TOOk their live away form their loved ones(friends and family) it's a complicated situation, you cannot put it in nice neat catgeory. |
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can you enlighten us TheU2, on why you think suicide is "stupid" and "selfish"? and please use some new arguments, because quite frankly, i've heard them all
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i suppose going into battle knowing that you probably would die could be also considered suicide, how do you think the families of the army feel about their loved ones going into battle? are they(the soldiers who died) selfish too, because they GAVE their life away for their country and what they stood for? oh but they TOOk their live away form their loved ones(friends and family) it's a complicated situation, you cannot put it in nice neat catgeory. [/QUOTE] I don't think people going into battle think they are going to die. And no, they aren't being selfish. They are risking their lives so that we can live in a free country. In fact, going to battle must be the most selfless act. You're arguement is full of holes. Take a logic class. CK |
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Why is it selfish? It wrecks everyone you left behind. CK |
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common TheU2 , go to sleep , you're in a bad mood today
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Ivan and TheU2,
Whatever problems you guys have with each other is not my business and I will stay out of it. But please don't invade perfectly innocent threads like mine in EYKIW. That did not make me happy. I'm not going to act like I'm an angel or anything(cause I'm obviously not ![]() It's Christmas time. Why don't you just put it aside and try to get along? ------------------ THE DUCK HAS DIED |
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you're simply rehashing the thread, read ABOVE your first reply to this thread. Take a reading class. [This message has been edited by CannibalisticArtist (edited 12-18-2001).] |
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Nothing to debate? Debate with me how suicide isn't a permanent solution and how it doesn't affect the people who loved and cared for the person. Selfishness is defined as someone who does something only for the benefit of themselves. Suicide does not benefit the people left behind. It wrecks them. A person who committs suicide is a coward. It take a courageous person to have the power to overcome obstacles. CK PS I read the post above my first response [This message has been edited by TheU2 (edited 12-18-2001).] |
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And please explain to me how a person who goes to fight for his country is selfish.
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can you not look at it from the distressed person's point of view? it's his/her life, he/she can do whatever he/she wants with it. if he/she wants to kill himself then he/she can, because he life is not a public commodity that he/she chose to keep all to himself/herself and not let other people access it. you imply that people own each other physically and mentally. that is simply not true. if the so called "loved ones" of the dead suicidal person, feel like they have been robbed, then i can wholheartedly say that the person is probably better off dead, the people never loved him/her , they just loved how he/she made THEM feel, and that is utter selfishness on their part. [This message has been edited by CannibalisticArtist (edited 12-18-2001).] |
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