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Old 08-20-2001, 04:16 PM   #21
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Gee whiz! Did you ask "what do you think" or did you not? Answer: you asked "what do you think"! And some people told you that they dopn't agree with you. And now you say "well, I didn't ask if you think two male or two female parents is natural." But, my opinion on whether this kind of class should be tought is based on the morality of it all. I think that it is not right for a child to be raised by 2 men as opposed to a man and a woman, and that is why I do not think this kind of teaching should be done. How can you ask me "what do you think", but then say "you can't base your opinion on ceratin criteria"?

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sorry about that, i just got carried away with myself. I just didn't want this to turn into anouther discussion about "the horror of homosexuality" thats all.
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sorry about that, i just got carried away with myself. I just didn't want this to turn into anouther discussion about "the horror of homosexuality" thats all.
That's alright. Everyone knows I think homosexuality is wrong. But I also don't usually bring it up, either. But in the case, it is not the morality of homsexuality that is at issue here, it is the morality of 2 male parents or 2 female parents that is an issue for me. And the reason I brought up all the anatomy stuff was because I was upset with Melon for jumping on Halpick, who seems like a nice enough guy.

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no worries. (i don't care much for melon either)


So, from what i can see there is a general thinking that this new action being taken by teachers is a bad thing. But "they" have already voted for it, so i guess only time will tell if it really does work out.

and just to recap they wanted it to make children with same sex parents feel comfortable at school and give the other children reference so that they don't fear/hate what they don't understand.
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The ignorance in this forum sometimes makes me cry, I didn't start a discussion on the "naturalness" or "correctness" of same sex relationships. Or if this "god" you speak of made us to choose or not to choose, same sex "relations", as they are, happen in the "wild" just as they happen in human life. Many animals have sex with anouther animal of hte same sex, it happens.

also, AGAIN, they arn't teaching the children about how the sex works, or any think like that. They are just reading them stories in which a child has same sex parents, it is NOT(from my understanding) the main focus of the book.
Gee whiz! Did you ask "what do you think" or did you not? Answer: you asked "what do you think"! And some people told you that they dopn't agree with you. And now you say "well, I didn't ask if you think two male or two female parents is natural." But, my opinion on whether this kind of class should be tought is based on the morality of it all. I think that it is not right for a child to be raised by 2 men as opposed to a man and a woman, and that is why I do not think this kind of teaching should be done. How can you ask me "what do you think", but then say "you can't base your opinion on ceratin criteria"?

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Melon, your arrogance never ceases to amaze me. In your great wisdom, you assume that someone is what you call a "troll", so it's okay to threaten that person.
And what, dare I say, does a 'threat' mean on the internet? It's hollow. It's going to go nowhere. Period.

The fact that I think he's a 'troll' has nothing to do with what he wrote in that passage, but a culmination of the fact that he's a horrible archetype of what people think of farmers, which I find to be incredibly insulting, as I come from a farmer's family. No, we're not a bunch of naive hicks who don't know what the world is outside of our small town.

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In response to your points, I'll start with the "bi-sexual" bit first. Stop wandering. I was not discussing "taboos" or anything other than pure anatomy. Man is designed anatomically for woman, and vice versa. The female reproductive system can only produce babies with the help of a male, not a female. That alone should tell you that it is natural for a man and a woman to be parents but not 2 women or 2 men.
Well, I do appreciate your opinion, but I respectfully disagree; but, for argument's sake, let's say it is unnatural. It's no different than an infertile heterosexual couple raising adopted children. This is surely not as nature intended, but this is seen as more than acceptable in society.

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Also, your statement about Christianity and "nature" does not fit into this conversation AT ALL. People are given a new nature when they become Christians, but that doesn't have anything to do with anatomy. That has to do with the spirit. Not once are Christians told to "fight their nature" in the sense you are talking about. Christians are told to resist temptation for heterosexual sex until they are married, not forever. You remember that God created sex, right?
I'm talking about historical Christianity mostly. St. Paul and later ideological successors believed it was up to man to transcend and go beyond our physical nature. Yet, when it came to human desires, people were told to suppress or stick to what is 'natural'--i.e., physical anatomical design. While modern Christianity doesn't go nearly as far as it's predecessors, the cultural subconscious is obviously influenced by them, including what many people claim is 'natural.'

But I see I'm 'arrogant' now. I do love it when people call me names.

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But I see I'm 'arrogant' now. I do love it when people call me names.
You're not "arrogant now", Melon, you've been called that many times. Sometimes you just fit that label, man. And it's not as if you're somehow "above" calling people names. I've seen even the Great and Mighty Melon stoop to that level. Remember Quick Vick? Also, do you remember the things you've called us fundamental Christians?
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I do not claim to be perfect. Nor do I claim to be 'great and mighty.' Any such claims are not endorsed by the entity behind the persona, 'melon.'

QuickVick is a separate story. Names were called only after his persistent attempts to agitate me. Remember point #1: I do not claim to be perfect.

And what I've called fundamentalist Christians is only a fraction of the hurtful stuff they've labelled to me directly and indirectly. I do apologize to you, 80s, but I have no sympathy for the devil.

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Then I apologize to you, Melon.

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