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Old 10-15-2007, 04:11 PM   #161
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there were laws that held inter-racial marriage illegal

and those that were against it cited that marriage was
between a man and woman of the same race

and that allowing mixed - race marriages would be a ruination of the culture

what would be next man / animal marriages?


this did not seem unreasonable when segregation was the law
when minorities were prevented from voting and having access to public accommodations, they were seen and treated as less than full citizens


well, as civil rights became the law of the land
these laws against mixed-race marriages gradually fell by the way side
and rightfully so



now we are at a point where gay people are getting the same rights and protections in many ways as "the rest of us"


just as a black person and a white person are equal citizens (individuals) of the united states they should and do have a right to marry each other


a person
and a:

1. horse,
2. machine
3. multiple persons (plural marriage)

are not individuals with equal rights deserving the right to marry each other

two gay people are citizens and should have all rights except this one? why all the other rights? their behavior is no longer illegal? anymore than mixed race dating is illegal anymore

to introduce these examples into the argument may not make a person a bigot

but it does suggest a "bias" against gay people
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My position is that marriage is between a man and a woman, how it is currently defined.

That an American has civil rights doesn't mean:

polygamous marriages should be legalized;
homosexual marrigaes should be legalized;
bestality marriages should be legalized;
*and*
straight or gay marriages to robots in the future should be legalized or even considered.

To keep things simple, marriage is between and man and a woman.

If you want to form some sort of "legal union" between different from marriage, call it what it is-but is not marriage.

That doesn't make me a bigot, only somebody that defines marriage for what it is-a union between a man and a woman.

Which of those groups you listed are two entities which can consent and commit to each other?

How is it that your definition of exclusion not bigoted?

Answer those two questions for me.
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When desperate why do some people revert to the race card?
Whose against interracial marriges in this thread?

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two gay people are citizens and should have all rights except this one? why all the other rights? their behavior is no longer illegal? anymore than mixed race dating is illegal anymore


this gets at an important point that bears repeating.

a polygamist might wish to marry many women, but he always has the right to marry one.

a pedophile might wish to marry a 12 year old (and 40 years ago, he could), but he always has the right to marry an adult female.

a beastality person (don't know the noun) might wish to marry a horse, but he always has the right to marry an adult female.

horses and children also cannot consent. neither, i imagine, could a robot.

so this is why it really is a civil rights issue.

a gay person cannot authentically marry a straight person. yes, of course they can get married, and it happens all the time, but there's either a level of sometimes dangerous deception in the relationship (one partner doesn't know), the relationship is headed for painful disaster (think Michael Huffington), or both parties know and the marriage truly is for show (Liza and David Guest). all of these things strike me as a far, far greater threat to marriage than anything else.

what is a gay person to do?
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When desperate why do some people revert to the race card?
Whose against interracial marriges in this thread?


i am trying to show you that your objection to gay marriage is absolutely no different than a racist's objection to interracial marriage.
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When desperate why do some revert to robots?

Spell checking?

Whining about avatars to moderators?

Or pictures?
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Whose against interracial marriges in this thread?

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How is that issue different from this one?
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let me ask you this Diamond: why should two people of different races, or of different religions, be allowed to marry each other?
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When desperate why do some people revert to the race card?
Whose against interracial marriges in this thread?

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do you support the right to fire someone only because they are gay?

do you support shop owners having the right to deny service to someone because they are gay?


do you support Hotels having the right to deny rooms to gay people?
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let me ask you this Diamond: why should two people of different races, or of different religions, be allowed to marry each other?
because it's legal?

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because it's legal?



but in Virginia, in 1967, it wasn't.

why should we have made it legal?
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do you support the right to fire someone only because they are gay?

do you support shop owners having the right to deny service to someone because they are gay?


do you support Hotels having the right to deny rooms to gay people?


how dare you violate my right to religious expression!!!
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because it's legal?

you do realize that many laws

were changed

to make it legal.
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what is a gay person to do?
civil union.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by deep
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you do realize that many laws

were changed



then make it so by changing the definition of marriage legally- then get back to me.

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spoken just like

all the anti-civils rights red necks of the past
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race baiter.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by diamond
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you do realize that many laws

were changed



then make it so by changing the definition of marriage legally- then get back to me.

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That's it? Wow, weak...

Well what did I expect?
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civil union.
this is better than most conservatives would offer

an I would support


I have said let every court house and justice of the peace marry people in civil unions with the same effect and rights as what legally married people get today


let the Religious people do what they do best
and that is exclude people
they have a legal right to discriminate
- so what

let them perform "marriages" that have the same benefits as "civil unions" that the rest of us non-bias people will be opting for

what the heck, I don't even care if the "bias" people want to call their 'union' civil.
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