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Old 10-15-2007, 04:45 PM   #181
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civil union.
would you allow civil unions with
machines?
horses?
Don Imus and Rutgers University women's basketball team? (plural civil union)?
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just don't call it marriage.

word,

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1-would you allow civil unions with
machines?
2-horses?
3-Don Imus and Rutgers University women's basketball team? (plural civil union)?
1-no
2-no
3-no

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so when you brought them into the argument

it was counter - productive

since you seem to want gay people to have the same rights and benefits

you just do want it called "marriage" and imposed on Religious institutions
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I think (hope) you were replying to Irvine
and not my simultaneous post?
correct.

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1-no
2-no
3-no

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I love how you answer these, but you conveinently miss the tough questions...

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I think it's talking about humans marrying robots.

So, you guys think it ok for a human to marry a robot be it- a gay human, or a straight human?

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I think its fine for a woman to stick a machine in her nether regions, I think its fine for people to be pleasured by robots, I think that marriage is a contract and as such requires consenting parties. When there is sentient AI with the rights of other beings then people should be allowed to marry robots/androids.
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If we all worked towards "Civil Unions".

There is a much better chance of getting rights, benefits and protections for all Americans.
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I love how you answer these, but you conveinently miss ....tough


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so, like, will these Civil Unions have all the rights of a Marriage?

and, if so, what's the hang-up over hte word?
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just don't call it marriage.

word,

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Your beliefs have no sway over the application of the world marriage Big Love.
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Desperation

conservatives just lost another ounce of credibility, how much will they have left?
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When there is sentient AI with the rights of other beings
then people should be allowed to marry robots/androids.
as long as the other partner is seen as an equal
with the same rights, and abilities

a case can be made for allowing a "union".
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There is civil marriage, and there is religious marriage.

Well, churches may restrict marriage only to heteros, no one is asking for that.
But the state, on the other hand, has to serve all its citizens. It cannot deny basic rights to one group.

You don't have to redefine marriage in the religious world, as it's entirely separated from the legal, civil world, which doesn't have to rely on the boundaries any religion carries with its overt conservatism.
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so, like, will these Civil Unions have all the rights of a Marriage?

and, if so, what's the hang-up over hte word?

Religious people can not be counted on to not discriminate. (period)
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so, like, will these Civil Unions have all the rights of a Marriage?

and, if so, what's the hang-up over hte word?
Nope, unless it was changed thru legislation legally, which one would ask the question-what's the difference?

A civil union would afford 2 human beings the right to co habitate legally, enjoy heatlh insurance, right of survivorship, alimony bennies if disolving the union etc-things like that.

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Nope, unless it was changed thru legislation legally, which one would ask the question-what's the difference?

A civil union would afford 2 human beings the right to co habitate legally, enjoy heatlh insurance, right of survivorship, alimony bennies if disolving the union etc-things like that.

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So what rights would the "civil union" people not have?

Besides going to heaven when they die?
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So what rights would the "civil union" people not have?

Besides going to heaven when they die?
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as long as the other partner is seen as an equal
with the same rights, and abilities

a case can be made for allowing a "union".
People don't have the same abilities, relationships are very rarely equal, but under law the involved parties should have equal rights.
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I am 'somewhat' serious here.


I think it is a losing battle to approach this argument by trying to change people's religious beliefs.


It is not possible to legislate what Church's preach.

So again, I say let's not fight over the word "marriage".


Anyone that goes to a "Government Agency" should be offered a "Civil Union".


It might be a good start.

It seems like many "Marriages" end up not being very civil, these days.
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