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Old 11-07-2008, 04:23 PM   #981
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Agreed, they should be as miserable as the rest of us....

uh-oh....
I got rid of the dead weight years ago, I'm perfectly happy.

In all seriousness though, I'll bet that gays and lesbians will considerably bring down the divorce rate, at least for a couple of generations, until they learn to take it for granted the way many of the rest of us do.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:25 PM   #982
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straight people: what is so awful -- or, what do you think other straight people think is so awful -- about having a gay child?

be honest.
I wouldn't care for one second about having a gay child.

I would love and support them just like I do for anything else.
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what do they mean when they say that "homosexuality will be taught in schools"?

i have no idea what that means.
The commercials that were played showed a field trip to a gay marriage ceremony. I don't know what the circumstances were but it had to be taken out of context. Schools don't just take kids on field trips randomly they're pretty pre programmed and based on curriculum that has been approved in my experience. They hardly have time to teach math let alone marriage.
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The commercials that were played showed a field trip to a gay marriage ceremony. I don't know what the circumstances were but it had to be taken out of context.
It was a charter school in SF, the guy was their teacher, it was at lunchtime (?), and the parents gave their full consent.
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It was a charter school in SF, the guy was their teacher, it was at lunchtime (?), and the parents gave their full consent.
But, you know that one incident (that was completely okay with the kids' parents) means that the gays will take over and teach all of the kids how to become gay!
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The commercials that were played showed a field trip to a gay marriage ceremony. I don't know what the circumstances were but it had to be taken out of context. Schools don't just take kids on field trips randomly they're pretty pre programmed and based on curriculum that has been approved in my experience. They hardly have time to teach math let alone marriage.
It was their first grade teacher's wedding and the field trip was organized by the PARENTS. Every child had to have a permission slip and only a few parents opted to not have their child participate.

On the other hand, the No on 8 campaign did not get permission from any of the parents before they showed the footage and a few of the parents demanded they edit their kids out of the commercial or stop showing it. I believe one parent was actually the principal of the school the 1st graders attend.
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The ironic thing for me is that with the publicity garnered from this ballot initiative, plus the overall gay rights fight, the issue of gay marriage remains in the media spotlight, thus becoming more visible for all, including children.

If we would just extend to gays and lesbians the same rights that straight people have, then the issue will eventually go onto the back burner and become like everything else that we don't give a second thought to.
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Received this email today - a campaign to repeal Prop.8

Courage Campaign | Sign the pledge to repeal Prop 8
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Olbermann is going to deliver a special comment on this subject on Monday night.

Good for him for taking up the cause.
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I think most Americans are not convinced on the Gay gene theory, and most American Blacks as indicated in the poll don't agree that all Gay ppl are born that way -the same way one is born with a different shade of skin pigmentation.

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So? Some people aren't convinced. Big deal. Some people aren't convinced that God exists. Does that mean we should take away their rights to have a religious wedding?
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Nobody has a right to a religious wedding, religious denominations should be allowed to discriminate against different faiths and atheists and not allow interfaith marriages to be sanctified by the church.

Aside from the fact that human sexuality is strongly controlled by biology if it was a choice that wouldn't make discriminatory arguments any more valid, homosexuality and gay marriage can be supported without appealing to nature.
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I think most Americans in Utah are not convinced on the Gay gene theory,

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I think most Americans are not convinced on the Gay gene theory, and most American Blacks as indicated in the poll don't agree that all Gay ppl are born that way -the same way one is born with a different shade of skin pigmentation.

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And there are still people who believe Obama'a birth certificate is fake... it just proves ignorance knows no color.
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And there are still people who believe Obama'a birth certificate is fake... it just proves ignorance knows no color.
Actually, having a large proportion of African-Americans voters vote Yes on 8 only means they voted to amend California's constitution, it wasn't a vote on the "gay gene theory".

At this point I'm willing to bet that our constitution here in California will NOT be amended, regardless of Yes on 8.
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And there are still people who believe Obama'a birth certificate is fake... it just proves ignorance knows no color.
Well ,what did you expect from these guys?

mormon bigotry

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more mormon bigotry

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mormon current day ties to polygamy, still strong

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in some ways, this cloud will have a silver lining.

just like the disaster of George W Bush made possible a world for Obama,

so, too, might this amendment get people, and especially the gay community, to wake up and take control of the political narrative and actually get out there and organize.

the CA gays i know are *pissed*, and the protest is just beginning.
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in some ways, this cloud will have a silver lining.

just like the disaster of George W Bush made possible a world for Obama,

so, too, might this amendment get people, and especially the gay community, to wake up and take control of the political narrative and actually get out there and organize.

the CA gays i know are *pissed*, and the protest is just beginning.
It's not just the CA gays that are pissed, there are plenty of straight Californians that are ready to fight over this right along with them. And you are right, this is just the beginning. This isn't going to go away, as much as the 52% who voted yes are hoping it will.
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It's not just the CA gays that are pissed, there are plenty of straight Californians that are ready to fight over this right along with them.

I just waiting for my email from No on 8 asking for another donation to get the repeal/challenge process started.
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