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Old 11-05-2008, 05:42 AM   #621
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Liberties ought not be executed at the ballot box.

But what ought isn't what is.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:49 AM   #622
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Liberties ought not be executed at the ballot box.

But what ought isn't what is.
What do you mean?
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:53 AM   #623
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I mean that the state shouldn't be discriminating against gay citizens even when it has popular approval, some issues should simply be off limits, these would be things like secularism and free speech, and in a sense equal recognition of consensual relationships.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:12 AM   #624
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I don't get that California voted for Obama who supports gay marriage and then voted yes?
WTF?
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:15 AM   #625
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Obama doesn't support gay marriage, don't believe the hype.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:24 AM   #626
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Oh doesn't he? I thought when i read an overview of his platform he supported it.
Thats a bit shit though.
Why do people give such a fuck about other peoples sex lives when they don't give a shit whether they live or die by taking away welfare, making medical bills unbelievably expensive and sending people off to die in a stupid war.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:03 AM   #627
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Oh doesn't he? I thought when i read an overview of his platform he supported it.
His platform was to make civil unions as equal as marriage but not force churches that didn't want to perform or recognise gay marriage.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:15 AM   #628
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That's the position of Diamond and Indy500, separate but equal, recognising civil unions but not use the word marriage.
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It's harder to repeal a constitutional amendment, but it can be done.
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That's the position of Diamond and Indy500, separate but equal, recognising civil unions but not use the word marriage.
I'm not sure about that...

Just a few weeks ago INDY made the comment "virtually equal", and never followed up. And Diamond thinks they are equal now, and after the years of bringing up animals, robots, and incest I'm not sure if he's willing to truly grant equality
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ABC.com says it's still too close to call
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The LA Times hasn't called it yet either.
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I'm embarrassed that it's even close Martha's right though, the fact that this proposition was even deemed necessary means that it's the beginning of the end for the bigots. I think in a couple of decades, you're going to be hard-pressed to find anybody willing to admit they voted against gay marriage.
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They've tried to vote it down in MA and it keeps failing, they will try and try again but I am hopeful that it will keep failing. It is inevitable just like it was inevitable that one day we had an African American President. For the first time in a long time I have a glimmer of hope that people are changing for the better.

I'm just glad that I didn't have to vote on someone else's rights as a human being to be who they are and love who they do and celebrate that love with a marriage- it's not something that I want to do.
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:02 AM   #635
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These gay marriage bans and lack of any federal recognition for even basic civil rights are why I'm quite contented to wait out this flailing generation of reactionary conservatism in Canada. I might have a new job in Toronto soon--wish me luck.
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Max Blumenthal: Who Is The Mystery Man Behind Prop 8?
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I just got to work where, after having been closed yesterday, we will have a staff meeting then go directly to lunch to celebrate (there are only 9 of us, all lefties from way back) and close down for the afternoon. However, rather than finding everyone in the kitchen talking excitedly and sharing the joy of the day, everyone's sitting quietly at their desks, mourning Prop 8.
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Oh my gosh, it's too close to call? I went to bed assuming it would pass.

Wow. Here's hoping it fails.
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it should be interesting watching 16,000+ marriages be dissolved and stripped of meaning.

i'm sure Jesus would be so proud.
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It baffles me that there is a state that has one city voting to try and make prostitution legal can also then do this sort of bullshit.

Granted, I don't know how the San Francisco vote did, but talk about contradictions within one state.
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