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Old 11-04-2008, 10:48 PM   #601
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Florida Gay Marriage Ban Amendment:

Yes: 62%
No: 38%

88% reporting.
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It reminds me of what happened right before slavery was outlawed, and then right before voting rights were finally enacted. The opposition feels its control slipping away, so it gets baroque and insane in its attempts at control.

Then, the oppressed group and its allies rise up say "Knock that shit off! We're people too, assholes."

It may be a series of setbacks that piss everyone off, but the tide is turning, very slowly. Just the idea that these people think this behavior needs to be stopped means that the behavior is happening. Before, it wasn't even happening; it was so underground that it couldn't even be acknowledged. Now, it's so common, it scares people and they're trying to stop the tidal wave.

They won't be able to stop it.
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Florida Gay Marriage Ban Amendment:

Yes: 62%
No: 38%

88% reporting.
What's the median age in Florida?
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Arkansas Gay Couple Adoption Ban Proposition:

Yes: 57%
No: 43%

Reporting: 56%.

Arkansas would like to remind everyone that the ban in this amendment is on all unmarried sexual partners, and not just gays. It's purely a coincidence, they swear.
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Arkansas would like to remind everyone that the ban in this amendment is on all unmarried sexual partners, and not just gays. It's purely a coincidence, they swear.
At least they're equal opportunity offenders.

And how are they checking to see if the people who want to adopt are sexual partners or not?
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:12 PM   #606
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This bigotry will, too, end.

Time waits for no man.

In the meantime, other states and nations will be a beacon of light for you to show you what equality means.
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Arkansas was just called: gay couples will be banned from adopting there.
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fuck fuck shit stupid voting crap.
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This bigotry will, too, end.
True. The only thing we can do is try our best to accelerate it's end...
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Proposition 8, which would ban same-sex marriage in California, is off to an early lead, with absentee ballot returns showing the measure with 56 percent of the vote, according to the Secretary of State's Office.

Only 13 percent of precincts were reporting at 9 p.m.

Exit polls had the race a virtual tie. Parents, churchgoers and voters who never attended college said they voted for the gay marriage ban, while college-educated and nonreligious voters opposed it, according to The Associated Press.
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Time waits for no man.

It will end. The crescendo of fear is cresting about this, and then it will subside. Every group endures this when it finally demands equality.
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On a positive note, the major obstacle that has stood in the way of NY State legalizing gay marriage - the Republican-majority State Senate - fell tonight as we are now looking at a Democratic-majority State Senate. I think once they've tackled the looming budget deficit issue, we'll see another attempt to pass the legislation and now there will be a much better chance of it passing, the State Assembly and the Governor are already supportive...
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Local Ballot Measures - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

29% precincts reporting on Prop 8 in Calif.
Yes 2,108,645 53%
No 1,882,446 47%


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Well shit. This is a major bummer.
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Florida Gay Marriage Ban Amendment:

Yes: 62%
No: 38%

88% reporting.
I was in the 38%, folks. I tried!
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CNN has a map showing the county-by-county results on Proposition 8 as they come in (scroll over the individual counties for the running tally):

County Results - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Still 53% Yes, 47% No, with 33% reporting.

Exit poll here (5 pages).
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we'll see what happens.

i look forward to INDY and nathan rejoicing while they watch loving couples being negated in the eyes of the law.

what a joyous occasion!
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what's amazing is that 70% of blacks support denying some the same rights that were once denied to them.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

but the under 40's went heavily for basic human dignity. heavily. and it's split along education lines as well.

the bigots will die off, eventually.
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Thanks for those links yolland and Irvine511.

Right now, it's 52% yes - 48% no - with 87% in - roughly 350,000 difference in votes.

I'm originally from the Netherlands, where same sex marriage was legalized in 2001 and now live in the SF bay area. So clearly would have liked to have seen a different outcome myself. But what I feared, has unfortunately happened.

Small consolation : 8 of the 9 Bay Area counties voted no. (Only Solano voted yes).

But for the whole state, it's 42 counties - yes
16 counties - no

And what about this?

Los Angeles - Yes 1,287,041 51% - No 1,261,518 49% - 97% of precincts reporting
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It reminds me of what happened right before slavery was outlawed, and then right before voting rights were finally enacted. The opposition feels its control slipping away, so it gets baroque and insane in its attempts at control.

Then, the oppressed group and its allies rise up say "Knock that shit off! We're people too, assholes."

It may be a series of setbacks that piss everyone off, but the tide is turning, very slowly. Just the idea that these people think this behavior needs to be stopped means that the behavior is happening. Before, it wasn't even happening; it was so underground that it couldn't even be acknowledged. Now, it's so common, it scares people and they're trying to stop the tidal wave.

They won't be able to stop it.
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It will end. The crescendo of fear is cresting about this, and then it will subside. Every group endures this when it finally demands equality.
Nicely said, martha!

Time will come.
Although sooner rather than later would have been nice.
But the tide is surely turning :

In 2000 the results of prop 22 which prevented California from recognizing same-sex marriages was 61.4% approval and 38.6% against.

Eight years later - 52% vs. 48%.

And once the results have been analyzed, it'll become very clear which specific areas and groups to target better next time.
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