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Old 07-17-2003, 08:18 AM   #1
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Spending by the EU on AIDS in Africa

I can't believe the EU is only willing to put up a billion dollars when George 'Satan' Bush is talking about putting up 15 billion dollars. What gives Europe (France and Germany!)?
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one big heck load of money & support to other causes/ poor countries
(without -so obviously- trying to string money and demands that benefit them together)




that is my "guess"
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considering that they give 3 times to foreign aid as we do, I imagine their resources are already out there.
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Just wait for the elections here in Europe,...beautifull promises will apearing here also,....
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Re: Spending by the EU on AIDS in Africa

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I can't believe the EU is only willing to put up a billion dollars when George 'Satan' Bush is talking about putting up 15 billion dollars. What gives Europe (France and Germany!)?
Europe and the European Union are two different things. Every country of the EU is in Europe, but not every European country is in the EU.
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I can't believe the EU is only willing to put up a billion dollars when George 'Satan' Bush is talking about putting up 15 billion dollars. What gives Europe (France and Germany!)?

Just wait and see,...




Bush in Africa: Compassionate Protectionism

On the public health front, President Bush has received credit for pledging $15 billion over five years to help treat and prevent AIDS in Africa and the Caribbean. But there are doubts about how much of this money is going to materialize, and when. One year ago the Administration promised $500 million for prevention of HIV transmission from mothers to newborn children, but no money has yet been appropriated.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16384

More than a year ago :
New Bush AIDS Plan Outrages Activists

President George W. Bush dined with top pharmaceutical company executives at the ritzy Mayflower Hotel in downtown Washington D.C. Wednesday night, while activists protested his newly announced $500 million AIDS initiative outside.

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13421
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I think that the economic situation between the EU and the US are probably different. Asking for $15 billion from the US is pocket change (considering we have no problem accumulating a $400 billion deficit in one year), while $15 billion from the EU is a lot, considering the weaker economies they have. I think the EU is more of an emerging economy, rather than an existing one.

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I think that the economic situation between the EU and the US are probably different. Asking for $15 billion from the US is pocket change (considering we have no problem accumulating a $400 billion deficit in one year), while $15 billion from the EU is a lot, considering the weaker economies they have. I think the EU is more of an emerging economy, rather than an existing one.

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I am not disputing your claim that EU economies are emerging. However, I would like to see a percentage of aid from the US vs. the EU. Is the US economy really that much stronger than 15 of the most 'developed' European nations?
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I am not disputing your claim that EU economies are emerging. However, I would like to see a percentage of aid from the US vs. the EU. Is the US economy really that much stronger than 15 of the most 'developed' European nations?
I can only say that the Dutch goverment is spending 0.7 % of the national bruto product ( I do not know if that is a good translation ) at economic help to the third world. ( the EU has a rule that it should be a minimum of 0.4 % )
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It is all progaganda,...


Aids cash goes to US bio-defence


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3057397.stm
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Will US Aids cash make a difference?

While the new law allows for up to $15 billion over the five year period, it does not bind the administration to this amount - the administration could trim the programme in future years if it wished.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2943572.stm
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Will US Aids cash make a difference?

While the new law allows for up to $15 billion over the five year period, it does not bind the administration to this amount - the administration could trim the programme in future years if it wished.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2943572.stm
While what you state is true, the BBC article is spin, spin, spin. Their arguement is that the 15bil. won't solve the problem, so why even bother? What?! EVERY dollar can help with such a crisis.

I question the BBC's reporting. The news organization is obviously left leaning and it seems like it is in the BBC's interest in reporting on anything that presents Americans (particulary Bush) in a negative light, as it sells papers these days.

I find it disturbing that even when Bush is doing something like pledging money for AIDS in Africa (which will undoubtly save lives) organizations like the BBC can still print nothing but negative spin about the president.
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I question the BBC's reporting. The news organization is obviously left leaning and it seems like it is in the BBC's interest in reporting on anything that presents Americans (particulary Bush) in a negative light, as it sells papers these days.
Perhaps you would prefer a fair, reliable, unbiased and credible news service with years of experience to draw upon and a stellar reputation throughout the world? Fox News?
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Actually the BBC is obliged to be impartial as its funded by the British government. I'm not claiming it always succeeds in achieving impartiality, but it is certainly not a "left-leaning" news source.

Also, the BBC doesn't "sell papers" - it's tv, radio and internet based and the few paper publications it has are not daily newspapers but rather monthly magazines and are generally non-political.
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Perhaps you would prefer a fair, reliable, unbiased and credible news service with years of experience to draw upon and a stellar reputation throughout the world? Fox News?
This does not help me believe that the BBC's reporting is unbiased.
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Does the fact that it's funded by the British state and so mandated to be unbiased (in so far as reporting free of bias is possible) help you believe the BBC's reporting is less biased than that of, for example, Fox News?
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This does not help me believe that the BBC's reporting is unbiased.
If you're truly interested in an intellectual discussion of the notion of "bias" and "objectivity" you might want to take a look at this recent FYM thread
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Very sad .... but absolute truth!
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this znet article discusses the bush administrations promotion of genetically modified foods. in this section the link between genetically modified foods and 'the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Act of 2003' bill is explained

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The US has therefore found a way out to force the African countries into submission. The US Senate has passed a Bill "the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003," (HR 1298)", which in a diplomatic way (calling it as `sense of Congress') links financial aid for combating HIV AIDS with GM food acceptance. Section 104A states that "individuals infected with HIV have higher nutritional requirements than individuals who are not infected with HIV, particularly with respect to the need for protein. Also, there is evidence to suggest that the full benefit of therapy to treat HIV/AIDS may not be achieved in individuals who are malnourished, particularly in pregnant and lactating women.
The next sentence reads: "It is therefore the sense of Congress that the US food assistance should be accepted by countries with large populations of individuals infected or living with HIV/AIDS, particularly African countries, in order to help feed such individuals."
american spending is not without its self serving benefits.
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this znet article discusses the bush administrations promotion of genetically modified foods. in this section the link between genetically modified foods and 'the United States Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria Act of 2003' bill is explained



american spending is not without its self serving benefits.
They just looking for a way to sell their Genetic engeneerd food,...nobody else want to have it.
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