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Spain's 'Slant-Eye' Team Photo Stirs Ire
Spanish Ad Pic 'Divisive' but Unlikely to Jeopardize Madrid's Bid to Host 2016 Games
By DAVID SCHOETZ

Aug. 12, 2008—

A pre-Olympics "slant-eye" pose by the Spanish men's basketball team could leave the gold medal contenders with a black eye as they compete in Beijing.

An advertisement for the Spanish Basketball Federation that appeared in the Spanish daily sports newspaper Marca featured Spain's 15 national team members in uniform pulling back the skin on their eyelids, with smiles on their faces. The team photo was taken at a center court bearing a dragon logo.

It's a racially pejorative pose not often associated with goodwill in the United States and many other countries, where a similar gesture is more likely to be seen on a school playground than coming from Olympic statesman.

"It's something that I haven't seen since I was a kid," said Sarah Smith, a spokesman for the Organization of Chinese Americans in Washington, D.C. "I can't speak for what is considered funny in Spain. I don't know if it has the same impact that it would here. It's clearly racist, and not even in a jovial way."

Smith said she would expect more from a group of Olympians, particularly when many of them have played professionally in the United States.

"This is coming from grown men who are supposed to be representing their nation," Smith said.

The Chinese-American organization also issued a statement from deputy director George Wu, calling the photo "disturbing" and "divisive."

"It is unfortunate that this type of imagery would rear its head during something that is supposed to be a time of world unity," Wu said.

Attempts by ABC News to get a comment from Marca, the Madrid-based newspaper that published the ad, were unsuccessful. Madrid is one of the four finalist cities to host the 2016 games -- facing off against Chicago, Tokyo and Rio De Janiero.

As the controversial photo makes the rounds on the Internet, speculation has begun that the gesture many consider racially insensitive toward the Asian host country -- and anyone of Eastern Asian descent -- could jeopardize the Madrid 2016 bid.

Rob Livingstone, a Toronto-based journalist who founded a Web site devoted to tracking the International Olympic Committee's host city deliberations, said the poor judgment by a small group of Spanish athletes is unlikely to derail the city's Olympic hopes.

"Typically, these kind of things have little impact on the bids themselves," Livingstone said, citing a voting body of 100 members driven by a broad range of political and business agendas -- not individual incidents, however unflattering they may be.

"Lots of people are asking, 'How is this going to impact Madrid 2016?' My reaction is it won't," Livingstone said. "Whether or not it should is another issue."

Livingstone pointed to Beijing as an example of the host city that has faced stiff criticism for its human rights record in Tibet from the moment it expressed interest in hosting the games right through today's Olympic action.

The IOC will announce the 2016 host city in October.

This is not Spain's first racial controversy involving sport. In 2004, FIFA, the world ruling body in soccer, fined the Spanish Football Federation nearly $90,000 after Spanish fans showered black English players with racist chants during a "friendly" match in Madrid.

The governing body for Formula One auto racing announced in April an anti-racism campaign after British driver Lewis Hamilton, who is black, was racially taunted by racing fans in Madrid. A group, wearing dark makeup on their faces, wore shirts that read "Hamilton's Family."

Four members of the Spanish national team play professional basketball for NBA teams, including Los Angeles Lakers superstar Pau Gasol and his brother Marc Gasol. Spain won the gold medal in the 2006 World Championships.

The controversy about the team's advertisement had not reached Beijing, according to ABC News reporters covering the Olympic Games, before today's matchup between the Spanish and Chinese teams.

Gasol led Spain to an overtime victory after his teammates erased a 14 point deficit in the third quarter. Chinese sensation Yao Ming fouled out after another game in which a foot fracture continued to hold back his play.

Basketball is wildly popular in China, where the 7-foot, 6-inch Ming is a national celebrity and an estimated 300 million people -- roughly the population of the United States -- follow the sport.
 
I find it totally offensive (being a member of the targeted group) but it has no relationship to Spain's bid for the Olympics. Just proves their are ignorant dumbasses in every country.
 
Sorry but that gesture doesn´t mean anything offensive to me :shrug: In my country that doesn´t mean anything, but of course if that is considered in Spain a gesture of racism, well, is not rigth :down:
 
If people who are in the targeted group are telling you it's offensive and you didn't know the difference, that's fine. But to continue to think it's NOT offensive after people are telling you it IS offensive doesn't make sense. I grew up with assholes making this gesture at me my whole life and didn't like it then, and will not stand for it now or any derogatory gestures towards any minority group.

I understand how you might not knowing some offensive terms and gestures in other cultures. There were jokes in "Harold and Kumar go to Guantanamo Bay" which played to every stereotype insult I didn't understand either. I don't know enough ways to insult people either. Many people casually used discriminatory phrases which originated from racist views in the past but don't know their origins.

But now do you agree that their behaviour is not endearing or complimentary but an insult and demeaning to Asian people?
 
I guess you are failing to see from my point of view wich is not offensive in any case.

But how is it not offensive? As I child I knew it wasn't right to point at people with brown skin and laugh, or chuckle at those in wheelchairs, or poke fun of any group just because they are different from you... It's common human decency.
 
Thank you and No worries, barrier languajes are hard to defeat :D :applaud:


Sorry especially to trevster2k because I know I wouldn´t like anyone to point at me because I belong to a diferent race :hug: , I know there´s a big problem in the world because of the races, and as a member of the latin comunity I think I understand this problem :hug:
 
I think I have a misunderstanding here :scratch: that´s exactly what I said, now that I know that it is offensive, I don´t agree at all that´s what :down: is supposed to mean

I´m sorry

I figured you meant that too which is why I asked the question to make it clear to everyone.:hi5:

I saw comments elsewhere where people suggest "oh, get over it" , it's all in good fun. These people frustrate the hell out of me. They probably aren't the ones who suffered discrimination their whole lives just because they look different than the majority. And aren't the ones who get asked "do you know kung-fu?" Believe it or not, I was being asked this even as an adult by morons.

ETA no worries,Caroni. I understand what you meant.:hug:
 
:doh: Yes and BTW I don´t know how to dance salsa :lmao:

:lol:, the people who would ask me this come from a region where fishing was a common occupation in the past. So I learned to respond with the question " Are you a good fisherman?" They would say "why do you think that?" I would say you are from this place, aren't you? Therefore like you, I am making assumptions about you based on one thing. They understood right away how foolish they sounded.
 
Trev, I always thought you were a ninja.

There goes that fantasy. :sad:
 
Something nice? The wrong people?

Gasol, Calderon question fuss over photo

By Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports 10 hours, 12 minutes agp

BEIJING – Pau Gasol sat courtside with his feet dunked in a bucket of ice as the irony of ironies unfolded around him.

The Los Angeles Lakers center had just finished training Wednesday at the Beijing Language and Culture University, where students from around the world gather to learn Mandarin and promote international understanding.

Four days into the most global of events, and surrounded by buildings which foster social harmony across all colors and creeds, Gasol had to apologize for the actions of a Spanish men’s basketball team that made Asian “slant eyes” at the camera for a sponsor’s advertisement and thinks it’s OK.

Around him, his teammates and coaches reacted to the criticism homing in on them from around the world with a mixture of embarrassment, confusion and some mild defiance. The ad in question was for a Spanish courier company, Seur, but the Spanish team also counts the athletic shoe and apparel company owned by Li Ning – the former Chinese Olympian who lit the torch at this summer’s Games – among its sponsors.

Jose Calderon of the Toronto Raptors has spent the last three years in North America, but he didn’t get it. He could still not understand how an action with such deep racial undertones had generated so much attention. In his mind a non-story became a story only when it was blown out of proportion by journalists with a mind for mischief.

“We did it because we thought it was going to be something nice, something with no problem,” Calderon told Yahoo! Sports. “But somebody wants to talk about it. It is too much of a big deal with you guys (the media) and everybody talking about that.”

Head coach Reneses didn’t get it, either. Reneses comes from an older generation of Spanish society, one which has little time for the politically correct niceties of the modern world.

“If I go to play with a taller team and I put here (raising up on the tips of his toes) it is not an offense,” Reneses said. “I can’t understand anything more.”

But Gasol got it. He didn’t get it when the Spanish courier company persuaded the players to pose with their index fingers stretching their eyes to a thin slit at a team media day, but he sure as heck gets it now.

“Some of us didn’t feel comfortable doing it just because to me it was a little clownish for our part to be doing that,” Gasol said. “But the sponsors insisted and insisted. I think it is just a bad idea I guess to do that, but it was never intended to be offensive or racist against anybody.

“I didn’t find it very funny. I didn’t find it offensive, either. I guess some guys didn’t mind. To me I don’t want to be that way, I guess, to be doing that stuff.

“If anybody feels offended by it we totally apologize for it. We never meant anything offensive by it.”

The advertisement has regularly run as a full page in Spanish sports daily Marca soon after the picture was taken on July 1. However, it only came to prominence after it reached the attention of the Guardian newspaper in London this week.

Spanish sports is no stranger to racial controversy.

Luis Aragones, the head coach of Spain’s men’s soccer team, was overheard telling his player Jose Antonio Reyes to “tell that black (expletive) you are better than him” at a training session in 2004. Aragones was referring to Thierry Henry, a black player from France who was then a teammate of Reyes at English Premier League club Arsenal.

Aragones also struggled to understand what all the fuss was about, even as anti-racism groups seethed and soccer’s power brokers held their heads.

At a Formula One motor racing testing session this year, a group of Spanish fans believed to be supporting home driver Fernando Alonso were pictured with their faces covered with black paint. They wore T-shirts with the slogan “Hamilton’s Family,” a reference to Alonso’s world title rival Lewis Hamilton, a black Englishman.

Moreover, at an exhibition match in Madrid in 2004, several black members of the England men’s soccer team were subjected to monkey chants and whistles whenever they touched the ball.

Back in Spain, there has been no criticism of the advertisement, just support for a group of players who shoulders the hopes of a nation. Members of the Spanish media who spoke to Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday could not grasp why the issue had garnered so much publicity.

And while Gasol, in many ways the public face of Spain’s basketball team, sensed the photo was not a great idea, he refused to back down from his assertion that no harm was intended.

“If you put it in the wrong context and put it with the wrong people or a different kind of people, you could take it that way,” he said. “But not with our group and not with our people. I would find that a wrong read.”
 
I am thinking it is a mistake to apply the same cultural standards of a multi-cultural society like America to less multi-cultural societies such as some European countries, or, for that matter, some Asian countries. I am sure there are derogatory words used about Europeans in various Asian countries.

A few years ago I was a in bar with some Asian friends in Sydney, and one commented that I was the only gweilo ( Gweilo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )in the entire bar, and we all looked around and laughed, because it was quite true, especially as I have a pale complexion. Now, depending on context, the term 'gweilo' may or may not be an offensive term. In this context, of course, it was not intended as such neither did I take it as such.

It's all about context.

But, yes, these athletes should have known better.
 
I am thinking it is a mistake to apply the same cultural standards of a multi-cultural society like America to less multi-cultural societies such as some European countries, or, for that matter, some Asian countries. I am sure there are derogatory words used about Europeans in various Asian countries.

A few years ago I was a in bar with some Asian friends in Sydney, and one commented that I was the only gweilo ( Gweilo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )in the entire bar, and we all looked around and laughed, because it was quite true, especially as I have a pale complexion. Now, depending on context, the term 'gweilo' may or may not be an offensive term. In this context, of course, it was not intended as such neither did I take it as such.

It's all about context.

But, yes, these athletes should have known better.

Well I agree when it comes to language. Words are often cultural, contextual, regional... But this wasn't a word, this was an action. This is directly pointing and laughing.
 
Well I agree when it comes to language. Words are often cultural, contextual, regional... But this wasn't a word, this was an action. This is directly pointing and laughing.

Well yes, but then again it was an impersonal gesture rather than directly aimed at a particular individual so it is somewhat different to the situations described by Trevster2K where he was being personally insulted.

As I said, the athletes have behaved foolishly and unprofessionally, but it would be going too far to deduce that they're all a bunch of damnable racists- not that anyone is saying that, as such.
 
As Finance Guy said, America is multi-cultural and what we may view as being racist or foolish. May not transcend to other countries. I don't know. But, thankfully, an apology was made.

As an American citizen. I think it was immature act and is seen by the majority of my fellow country men/women, as being hurtful.
 
:lol:, the people who would ask me this come from a region where fishing was a common occupation in the past. So I learned to respond with the question " Are you a good fisherman?" They would say "why do you think that?" I would say you are from this place, aren't you? Therefore like you, I am making assumptions about you based on one thing. They understood right away how foolish they sounded.

Good point! I live in the State of Maryland and I don't know how to ride a horse. Though, Maryland has many horse farms and we are know for our beautiful thoroughbreds.
 
As I said, the athletes have behaved foolishly and unprofessionally, but it would be going too far to deduce that they're all a bunch of damnable racists- not that anyone is saying that, as such.



a wildly multicultural, african-american looking friend of mine spent a year studying in China. he was widely referred to as, "the black devil." he grew not to take offense to it.
 
a wildly multicultural, african-american looking friend of mine spent a year studying in China. he was widely referred to as, "the black devil." he grew not to take offense to it.

And also, let's not forget that many places in the world don't have a history of racism or colonialism or anything that would necessarily predispose them to being racist. I think racism is taught, not inbred.

I never saw a black person in real life until I was 7 years old and then there was ONE family in the small town where I grew up, doing some kind of diplomatic work. I remember the little boy who was in the same year at school as me being seen as very exotic by us and I was very excited when he told me I could touch his hair. Now, I have since had many black friends, African, Canadian, Caribbean in origin and I would most certainly not be going around touching their scalps - that is something that you learn when a culture is no longer strange or foreign to you. But you know what, I also harbored no pre-conceived notions about black people whatsoever, nor did my parents ever say anything even borderline racist. Why would they? They had no historical exposure to a different race. I moved to Canada when I was 12, and over here I have the "pleasure" of being related to your classical racist uncle, who you know, has black friends, but that doesn't stop him from making comments. And I remember like it was yesterday, going to a BBQ at this uncle's house maybe about a month after we'd arrived, and he asked my Dad how his first week at work was. My dad had worked 60+ hours and so he replied "I worked like a black man" - which in our language/culture basically meant you worked like a slave (clearly the origin of the phrase), and was nothing negative at all, in fact it was a flattering phrase to describe a person who was particularly hard working. My uncle then replied with "oh, you have to stop saying that, those people don't work at all!"

Just goes to show you who the real racists often are.
 
You are absolutely correct. Racism is taught. Look at young children. They don't care about differences. They simply want to play together.
 
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