someone please tell me where u2 stands on capitolism

[Zoomerang96]

im kinda curious. its a simple question. are they in full support of the government? do they want reform? they dont appear to be anarchists, obviously.

what kind of government do you think theyd have if they could chose?

im just curious, tis all.


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[Se7en]

I would say a democratic government and a capitalist economy. Nothing I've read or seen would lead me to believe otherwise. I could be wrong though....

[DebbieSG]

They are capitalists. It's been very good to them.

They are also artists and would like freedom of expression.

They are also activists who would like to see the environment cleaned up, tortue stopped and poverty ended.

Three of them are Christians, who believe "They still haven't found what they're looking for."

I don't know, can any one government satisfy all those characteristics, or do you make do with the one you have, following it as long as it stays just and noncorrupt?

[U2Bama]

Bono has both considered himself a "champagne socialist" and admitted to being a "capitalist" if I recall correctly.

~U2Alabama

[HolyJoe914]

They charge money for their music, so they're capitalists.

[Holy John]

They'd be friends with Keynes, but not with Hayek I guess...

cheers

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[Hans Moleman]

I bet it is similar to the Pope's *official* stance on capitalism, which is that it is good, but that businesses should be ethical about it. In other words, businesses should be held accountable for their actions, which should always be for the betterment of society and people.

I knew there were problems when business became the independent variable in the equation of life, while labor was lumped in with the machinery in terms of expendability during my microeconomics class. Am I the only one who, perhaps, thinks that people should be the independent variable and that business should come second? I know some people would like to think of me as a communist/socialist, but I'm more of a believer in heavily-regulated capitalism so that it can't fuck people over like it inherently wants to.

~Melon

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[Zoomerang96]

interesting responses, thanks.

holyjohn, what does that mean? im really sorry, but havent the slightest clue (not the first time).



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[Holy John]

Originally posted by Zoomerang96:
interesting responses, thanks.

holyjohn, what does that mean? im really sorry, but havent the slightest clue (not the first time).


Keynes and Hayek.. two theoricians and 'philosophers' of capitalism. What else do you don't understand ?

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«Je suis le dernier homme. Contre tous, je me défendrai...»
"I am the last man. Against all, I shall defend myself..."
- 'Rhinocéros', Ionesco

!Hasta la victoria, siempre!

"The one who governs with weapons is clearly poor in ideas". - Subcommandante Marcos

On a mis quelqu'un au monde, on devrait peut-être l'écouter / we gave birth to someone, maybe we should listen...

[The Wanderer]

how much money did they make off the capitalist system this past year? during their entire careers???

[Zoomerang96]

alright thanks, i had no idea who they were. what else dont i understand? just about everything else. :P

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[UV2001]

Bono could start his own political movement Who thinks that when the sad day comes that U2 deside to retire Bono should run for Irish PM as an independant He has great ideas and is already on good speaking terms with many world leaders. So do you think he would make a good PM? He has great communication skills too

[Holy John]

Originally posted by UV2001:
Bono could start his own political movement Who thinks that when the sad day comes that U2 deside to retire Bono should run for Irish PM as an independant He has great ideas and is already on good speaking terms with many world leaders. So do you think he would make a good PM? He has great communication skills too

Hehehe, I see that in the streets...

"I voted for the Liberals"
"I voted for the Democrats"
"I voted for the Republicans"
"I voted for the Alliance"
"I voted for the Bonoists..."

He has great ideas, but I think he's better on with the movement. It takes people like him to push the politicians to think.



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«Je suis le dernier homme. Contre tous, je me défendrai...»
"I am the last man. Against all, I shall defend myself..."
- 'Rhinocéros', Ionesco

!Hasta la victoria, siempre!

"The one who governs with weapons is clearly poor in ideas". - Subcommandante Marcos

On a mis quelqu'un au monde, on devrait peut-être l'écouter / we gave birth to someone, maybe we should listen...

[Kieran McConville]

I'd be awfully surprised if they knew exactly where they stood on the matter. Whatever they say.

Although, it has indeed been good to them.

[hiphop]

Keynes is not the answer to the problems the third world faces, is it, Holy John?
Real regulation of capitalism will never function (just like "real" communism) because governments tend to be corrupted. It´s ridiculous to think the world elite of capitalism could be regulated - it is them who make up the rules!
And democracy is only a nice cover, as we have seen - one of many examples - in Genova.

[Kieran McConville]

Originally posted by whenhiphopdrovethebigcars:
Keynes is not the answer to the problems the third world faces, is it, Holy John?
Real regulation of capitalism will never function (just like "real" communism) because governments tend to be corrupted. It´s ridiculous to think the world elite of capitalism could be regulated - it is them who make up the rules!
And democracy is only a nice cover, as we have seen - one of many examples - in Genova.

Well, that is probably true enough. But what's the alternative - roll over and hope for the best?

Democracy becomes just a facade - a cover - when most people either don't care/don't have the energy/time/money/influence to be a part of it. And when powerful people can get away with saying that everything is wonderful.

No wonder this comes up all the time on Free Your Mind. It's probably the biggest question of our time.

[Kieran McConville]

Originally posted by whenhiphopdrovethebigcars:
I don´t think there is one alternative or one solution. I think that this problem has so many shady sides, that it is very difficult to solve it.

One of the many parts of a possible solution would be to pay. Look, America is not only build up on its own wealth. If you look a little to the history, Americans got a whole continent practically for free (while stupid Europeans were still fighting over a centimeters of land). Ok, there were a few indians, but nothing compared to how difficult it is normally to "steal" land.

So, as you come from Australia, Kieran, I hear that there are some reparation issue the Aborigines brought up. There is some kind of justice in this, I think.

America had the working power of millions of slaves. Without them, it wouldn´t be flourishing like it is now. So first thing: pay high reparations to... well lets say Africa in general, to make the discussion easier. No one wants to pay, right, but justice has to be found. Then, the World Bank has to drop the debt, and this 100% and immediately. So other states have a little chance to gain some economical power. They have to build up their own structures, so the control doesn´t always stay in the center, which is America. With this, people from the U.S.A. and Europe have to realize that they are living on the cost of others, that - simply expressed - their cheap bananas make a child die in the third world.

As you might see, there are alternatives, and this is also known by the elites. But not too widespread in the media, is it? So you see the media is an instrument of the ones who are in power, it is not independent. It is supporting this fake democracy, because with globalisation, free trading zones, workers that work like in prisons in the textile industry f.e., we can´t focus only on our own country.

This is why the question of hating U.S. or of being "jealous" is so ridiculous. You think anyone is jealous of our wealth? Yes, sure, I would also be jealous, if my children were dying in front of my eyes for hunger.
If only America would wake up from the biggest ego trip in history... all the fat people that get heart attacks from mc donalds, all the people who are buying weapons without restrictions for "self defense" (ha ha, this is really a funny one!), if they would start a better education system, if youngsters would be educated towards real christianity, then a "clash of civilasations" (which is also a product of the crazy hype media world, that creates its spotty phrases listening to the wishes of the elites that use psychologic propaganda extensively - you think they are stupid?) would neither appear on the horizon.

And don´t forget to minimize the weapon, the oil and the drug industry, and those agencies out there...

So, happy new year, big brother!
Change the world

Quoting the above in full is probably a bit silly (I'm lazy) but yes, I agree 100% with your points. Yes, Australia has its own issues, but don't hold your breath so see them solved. I think this country is just quietly waiting for its indigenous population to drink/petrol sniff its way into oblivion. In Australia at the moment, of course, debate is like one of those nasty old fox traps. Deviate from the right-wing norm in any way, and watch those steel jaws snap shut. Quite depressing. Not saying we're unique or anything - the whole world's gone insane.

[hiphop]

I don´t think there is one alternative or one solution. I think that this problem has so many shady sides, that it is very difficult to solve it.

One of the many parts of a possible solution would be to pay. Look, America is not only build up on its own wealth. If you look a little to the history, Americans got a whole continent practically for free (while stupid Europeans were still fighting over a centimeters of land). Ok, there were a few indians, but nothing compared to how difficult it is normally to "steal" land.

So, as you come from Australia, Kieran, I hear that there are some reparation issue the Aborigines brought up. There is some kind of justice in this, I think.

America had the working power of millions of slaves. Without them, it wouldn´t be flourishing like it is now. So first thing: pay high reparations to... well lets say Africa in general, to make the discussion easier. No one wants to pay, right, but justice has to be found. Then, the World Bank has to drop the debt, and this 100% and immediately. So other states have a little chance to gain some economical power. They have to build up their own structures, so the control doesn´t always stay in the center, which is America. With this, people from the U.S.A. and Europe have to realize that they are living on the cost of others, that - simply expressed - their cheap bananas make a child die in the third world.

As you might see, there are alternatives, and this is also known by the elites. But not too widespread in the media, is it? So you see the media is an instrument of the ones who are in power, it is not independent. It is supporting this fake democracy, because with globalisation, free trading zones, workers that work like in prisons in the textile industry f.e., we can´t focus only on our own country.

This is why the question of hating U.S. or of being "jealous" is so ridiculous. You think anyone is jealous of our wealth? Yes, sure, I would also be jealous, if my children were dying in front of my eyes for hunger.
If only America would wake up from the biggest ego trip in history... all the fat people that get heart attacks from mc donalds, all the people who are buying weapons without restrictions for "self defense" (ha ha, this is really a funny one!), if they would start a better education system, if youngsters would be educated towards real christianity, then a "clash of civilasations" (which is also a product of the crazy hype media world, that creates its spotty phrases listening to the wishes of the elites that use psychologic propaganda extensively - you think they are stupid?) would neither appear on the horizon.

And don´t forget to minimize the weapon, the oil and the drug industry, and those agencies out there...

So, happy new year, big brother!
Change the world

[Saracene]

"Americans got a whole continent practically for free (while stupid Europeans were still fighting over a centimeters of land)."

Erm... wasn't it stupid Europeans who actually came to America and got it "for free"?

[Lilly]

Everybody in their position likes capitolism, it's what makes so much money for them in the end. Do they mock it? Sure. Do they enjoy it? Obviously. Do I like it when they mock it? Ohhh, yes.
p.s everybody wants reform...but that's a subject for a later time...

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