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Old 05-06-2008, 12:07 AM   #41
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I think perhaps some of the argument of the last two pages stems from disagreement over what the term 'Holocaust denial' implies. In the case of people who 'deny' the Holocaust of the Jews specifically, that term almost invariably means denial that genocide occurred--not necessarily denial that persecution (including murder) of Jews occurred, nor necessarily denial that said persecution was systematic. But obviously not everyone understands the term in this way.
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I think melon's original post and point have been made splendidly by the argument in this thread. It's not socially acceptable to not only deny but to even so much as question the Holocaust, or the 6 million number of murdered Jews that's generally "accepted" as fact. Folk who do question are summarily dismissed as Nazi sympathizers/apologists and anti-semites. But the various people in melon's article seem to feel it's fair game to question whether gays were actually persecuted, or the number of gays who were executed by the Nazis...and then FG picks up the ball and runs with the argument that several thousand gays isn't "enough". And we're all discussing it, and arguing, rather than just dismissing this nonsense.

Maybe we need an equation, so we can put "value" on these Holocaust victims. How many dead gays, communists, or Poles = a single dead Roma or Jew? Because it seems that's what's being considered here. Why not just come right out and say "who cares, it's only gays" if that's how you feel? How does memorializing 100,000 murdered gays trivialize the memory of 6,000,000 murdered Jews?
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it's what happens when gays get all uppity.
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Old 05-07-2008, 05:55 PM   #44
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Just noticed that the US Holocaust Memorial Museum has an online exhibit, Nazi Persecution of Homosexuals, 1933-1945 with about a dozen mini-essays, 8 personal stories, a few video and audio clips, a symposium on audio, and an annotated bibliography. As usual with this site, the organizational design is perhaps a bit too clever for its own good, but some helpful information in there.

Overview: Persecution of Homosexuals in the Third Reich

Exhibit: Nazi Persecution of Homosexuals, 1933-1945
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