hiphop
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joyfulgirl said:
Very true. Hiphop, I agree with you on many issues but even I find your posts in this thread offensive.
Fine, then think two times before of starting a discussion with me. It might be a waste of time, you know.
Irvine can be as offensive with me, or a European country for that matter, as he or she wants. If you say that this
"don't be a silly leftist who is reflexively anti-American at anything and everything"
and this
"your ultra-simplistic, euro-centric, essentially ignorant lables.
and unthinking leftists (shall we call them Stalin apologists?) eat them up --"
is not offensive, I don´t know what is.
But you know, I´m not critisizing this. I like offensive posts, they make me think if they are grounded on good arguments (can´t see any in that case, however).
What I would like to know of you, joyfulgirl, so maybe sometime I can finally understad this - because I have wondered about that for a long, long, time: what exactly made you feel so very offended? Why is it a bad thing to bitch about your country, or another country? To despise its politicians and call them killers when they send people to war, for example?
maybe you weill tell me that it´s your sense of self-worth that´s feeling attacked when I utter offending statements about America? Even if it has nothing to do with Americans? I would seriously like to understand this at some point
but I fear I won´t, because for me values like nationalism or "love my country" barely exist. It´s just a country, just a construction.
In reality, it is God´s land, but there are borders that people drew in their incredible evilness of taking the right to "own" God´s country. All those blatant exclamations of the nations fortitudes don´t impress me at all. Its the people who do this, single people, not the country. That´s why the distinction between America and Americans is so important. When I critisize America, I am speaking of its construct as a nation, of its political and military powers, social policies etc. - I have no idea why people always equal themselves with their fucking nation.
But maybe you can explain it to me.