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Old 01-11-2002, 08:12 PM   #21
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I like our mods a lot--I always enjoy their posts and find them to be quite likable people, so this isn't personal in the least. Salome, in fact, is my forum crush. However, I have to say I have never seen threads get shut down so quickly and, moreover, so frequently on any forum as this one. I really don't understand it at all. I was following the discussion about the gay voice with great, sincere interest and was very surprised when it was shut down. Nothing inappropriate or offensive about it in the least. In fact, on another fan forum I frequent that has a large gay population, that very subject has been discussed a lot and the gay community was not in the least bit offended by it. They were just as curious about the phenomenon as the rest of us.

Of course our mods can do as they think best, and on one level I appreciate that they are very sensitive people. Perhaps this forum is just too conservative for me, which I find odd given that U2 is a very liberal, way out there bunch of guys, a band with some ideas that might be considered pretty radical in some ways. But to each her own.

On this other forum I mentioned, I don't even remember a time when a thread was closed--maybe once or twice in the 5 years I've been over there. Free speech and healthy debates rule. It gets ugly sometimes and the mods will come in and say, "I don't like this one bit and I have my eye on it, but carry on. Just don't kill each other." And please don't anyone tell me "well, if you like that forum so much, why don't you just stay there." That's not what I'm trying to say at all. I just don't understand why people are so easily offended by sensitive issues that are healthy when openly discussed. People get mad, get hurt, they pout, they deal with it. I guess I'd like to think that the forum mimics real life--you talk things through, work things out. If people think a thread topic is inappropriate, how about a healthy debate about why it's inappropriate instead of shutting it down. To me, locking a thread is the equivalent of someone hanging up the phone on me, or slamming the door in my face when all I want to do is talk about it.

Frankly, the only offensive thing I found about the gay voice thread was when Sicy called TheU2 a fucking ass and threatened to banish him, which I thought was really inappropriate. No offense, Sicy--I just strongly disagreed with you there.

Just my two cents--thanks to anyone who actually read all this.

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Old 01-11-2002, 08:21 PM   #22
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Terrific post, joyfulgirl. That is EXACTLY the type of healthy atmosphere I think should be emulated at Interference.
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Frankly, the only offensive thing I found about the gay voice thread was when Sicy called TheU2 a fucking ass and threatened to banish him, which I thought was really inappropriate. No offense, Sicy--I just strongly disagreed with you there.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. I think Sicy handled the situation the best she could given the circumstances.

Our mods do a great job. Their actions shouldn't be questioned like this.

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Old 01-11-2002, 08:41 PM   #24
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Our mods do a great job. Their actions shouldn't be questioned like this.
Shouldn't be questioned?! Isn't this forum entitled "Free Your Mind" and not "Shut Up and Obey"? I did not say our mods don't do a great job. In fact, I began the post by commenting on how much I like them, and I wasn't just being obsequious. They rock. But come on, our mods are adults--they should be able to handle some constructive criticism. Let it be known that I dig Sicy to death. But are you REALLY saying we shouldn't state when we disagree with the actions of our mods? I don't live my life like that. If I disagree with my boss, I respectfully say so, and they respect me for it.

It has been said that the reason that thread was shut down was because TheU2 doesn't have a great reputation on the boards. Well, I don't know anything about that, I don't know his reputation, so therefore maybe I was kind of reading it with more objectivity than those who already had some feelings about him. But to me, he seemed very respectful. Sorry, I just didn't get it.

I know it isn't easy being a mod, and it must be tough listening to everyone whine and disagree about their decisions. But we shouldn't have to walk on eggshells around here. It ain't in good U2 style.

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Old 01-11-2002, 08:50 PM   #25
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You dont know the history between me and TheU2. And you obviously dont follow his posts. I agree I have a difficult time surpressing whats really on my mind, but he was the so called straw that broke my back in that thread. I'm not going to go into detail, but TheU2 doesnt respect the mods and the majority of his posts are purposely posted to get a stir out of people.

Anyway, I apologize to him and anyone else that was offended by my comment, it was posted out of anger.

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joyfulgirl,

I'm not denying one's right to speak his/her mind. But the amount of criticism our mods took today was unnacceptable. I think we as members owe them better treatment than what they got today. They do a lot of good for this forum that most of the time goes unnoticed.

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I'm not denying one's right to speak his/her mind. But the amount of criticism our mods took today was unnacceptable. I think we as members owe them better treatment than what they got today. They do a lot of good for this forum that most of the time goes unnoticed.

Fair enough--I am not aware that they received an unusual amount of criticism today. I was just responding to the one incident.
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You dont know the history between me and TheU2. And you obviously dont follow his posts.

Anyway, I apologize to him and anyone else that was offended by my comment, it was posted out of anger.


True, I don't know the history. And as I said, I'm not aware of his reputation. Sorry you had a rough day in here.
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Fair enough--I am not aware that they received an unusual amount of criticism today. I was just responding to the one incident.
Just so you know, I wasn't trying to come down on you. You've actually been the most diplomatic out of anyone today. LOL. I guess your last post just triggered me to say what I did.

All is cool and I'm outta this thread.

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Just so you know, I wasn't trying to come down on you. You've actually been the most diplomatic out of anyone today. LOL. I guess your last post just triggered me to say what I did.

All is cool and I'm outta this thread.

S'okay--I can dish it out and take it.

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Old 01-11-2002, 09:59 PM   #31
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Topics such as the "Gay voice" thread should NOT be off-limits in a forum known as :Free Your Mind." These days we are supposed to be "open-minded" about sexuality issues, and, yes, it is even okay to question elements of any sexual lifestyle and discuss them. TheU2 can only hope to resolve his stereotypical views by exploring the basis of them. Those of you who attacked him (and I do not include any mods in this grouping), answer me, would you have come to my defense had someone asked a stereotypical question of the Southern accent? Would you have come to the defense of 80sU2IsBest if someone had stereotyped fundamentalist Protestants? TheU2 didn't even say anything AGAINST homosexuality in general

I admit that TheU2 posted the topic in his typical sarcastic tone. I had a conversation with him awhile back after he asked me why I do not include him in the "weirdo" classification as I do other members of the web-based community known as www.interference.com and I told him that he is not a weirdo but instead a freak, much like something at a carnival sideshow. He cannot HELP his tone, or style of prose, I truly believe. On the other hand, a "weirdo" can tone down his weirdness simply by not using nouns incorrectly as adjectives and prefixes.

TheU2 does not fear controversy; that can be a good thing, especially in a debate-oriented forum such as Free Your Mind. Perhaps though the freak went too far in pushing Sicilia's buttons, and this, as opposed to the subject matter being explored, discussed and debated, is where it went downhill. I seriously doubt TheU2's feelings were hurt by any names that Sicilia called him.

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You dont know the history between me and TheU2. And you obviously dont follow his posts. I agree I have a difficult time surpressing whats really on my mind, but he was the so called straw that broke my back in that thread. I'm not going to go into detail, but TheU2 doesnt respect the mods and the majority of his posts are purposely posted to get a stir out of people.

Anyway, I apologize to him and anyone else that was offended by my comment, it was posted out of anger.

History? I thought we were kinda cool....Sometimes my posts get closed, but I've always "lightened" my threads when you requested.

Follow my posts, they are pretty funny I think.

I respect all you mods out there.

No need to apologize, but i'll accept it anyway as proper courtesy. I don't get easily offended. Except sometimes when people bash the USA, but that's another story.

I do, however, apologize if my straw broke your back.

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i agree with what melon said about theu2 getting a new moniker. you blatantly post in a style that does not have any tact. i dont really care, but i know others do. you like to ride the fence by the way you act, particularly to me, and when someone finally tells you to smarten up you act like "what???? i didnt do anything! its not me its you!" perhaps acceptable for a child before theyre about to be punished rediculously hard for it, but i believe you should be above a 7 year olds mentality.

but i should say all of this has been handled way better than it used to be...

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I admit that TheU2 posted the topic in his typical sarcastic tone. I had a conversation with him awhile back after he asked me why I do not include him in the "weirdo" classification as I do other members of the web-based community known as www.interference.com and I told him that he is not a weirdo but instead a freak, much like something at a carnival sideshow. He cannot HELP his tone, or style of prose, I truly believe. On the other hand, a "weirdo" can tone down his weirdness simply by not using nouns incorrectly as adjectives and prefixes.

TheU2 does not fear controversy; that can be a good thing, especially in a debate-oriented forum such as Free Your Mind. Perhaps though the freak went too far in pushing Sicilia's buttons, and this, as opposed to the subject matter being explored, discussed and debated, is where it went downhill. I seriously doubt TheU2's feelings were hurt by any names that Sicilia called him.

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There was no sarcasm in that thread. Can I not be serious sometimes? I'm a freakin CPA for god's sake.

Bama, you're logic of freak and weirdo is a bit flawed as I can control my tone and style of writing. That thread wasn't written in such a "freak" tone or style.

You're right, I don't fear controversy. I think it adds some spice to the forum. Maybe too much spice. Thats when the mods do come in and that's fine. It was not my intention to create any controversy there, though. In fact, I thought it was a much more tame thread than others that have transpired.

Apparently, Sicy's button was the size of giants stadium and I pushed it a couple of times. I apologize for that.

And you are right, my feelings aren't hurt. I'm not the sensitve type.

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I guess that is what I am getting at, TheCK; you often post in a sarcastic tone in non-serious threads; therefore, on the rare occasion when we see you post a thread that is indeed to be serious, that sarcasm is what people first see, much like melon pointed out.

Perhaps you CAN control your tone and style of writing, but you cannot control how people interpret it.

I stand by my generalization of you as a freak. Evidence indicative of such status is seen in your weird "eyelids" photo and your "I Save My Farts For When People Enter The Room" thread.

I believe you didn't intend controversy in this one, but you are still a freak.

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I guess that is what I am getting at, TheCK; you often post in a sarcastic tone in non-serious threads; therefore, on the rare occasion when we see you post a thread that is indeed to be serious, that sarcasm is what people first see, much like melon pointed out.

Perhaps you CAN control your tone and style of writing, but you cannot control how people interpret it.

I stand by my generalization of you as a freak. Evidence indicative of such status is seen in your weird "eyelids" photo and your "I Save My Farts For When People Enter The Room" thread.

I believe you didn't intend controversy in this one, but you are still a freak.

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Bama -

[sarcasm]I love you[/sarcasm].

I appreciate the freak remark....

When is the post jan. 6th thread starting up. [satire]I believe I'm up for a few more awards now.[/satire]

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Oh dear. Sometimes ppl tend to forget that the mods are just like us, only with certain abilities to control this board. To blame the mods for the closure of threads is stupid. Of course they do the actual closure, but im guessing based on the general direction a topic heads in and of course their own judgemnt. To have all the purest intentions also doesnt give free license to post what ever someone feels like -try applying the rules of real life to here. Its no point to say "I meant no offence", if overall, there was anyone uncomfortable or taken offside with something. Sometimes I wonder why Elvis bothers with this site, all the shit that people can go on about and all the issues he has to deal with, like all the others here who mod, but then I think to myself, hang on, Elvis and co are more likely ignoring the fact that 3% of this place causes shit, and are more concentratig on the 97% that is really a lot of fun. No one is ging to mod better or worse than anyone else.



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What on EARTH is the problem with asking whether or not a homosexual person is born with a "gay voice"? I'm sorry, in the question itself there is nothing offensive, what is offensive is someone finding such a ridiculously dumb question (sorry TheU2)as such. I mean, I was completely astonished to find people find such a question as 'offensive', and that, more often than not, denotes self-importance and self-promotion. For God's sake, it was just a question - and a silly one at that, but no more silly than some topics that get a posting here.

Having said that, TheU2, you have to admit it was one stupid question. How on EARTH do you think that gay people have a 'gay voice'. Why not go further and ask if they have a 'gay walk'? Ofcourse not! There are plenty of gay people who are more 'manly' (I hate that term) than I will ever be, and there are some who are so 'straight-acting' (hence the expression, straight-acting gay people)you'd think they were a red-blooded straigt male, like one of my best friends, for instance.

Also, I don't think that homosexuality is something inherent, I think its more to do with the circumstances of life that have shaped you as 'a person', its not something you are born with.

I don't actually think the mods were justified in getting rid of TheU2's "Gay Voice" thread, if they wanted to be helpful they should have removed other threads going back ages ago when people weren't talking about the 'gay voice' but questioning whether or not homosexuality was wrong - now THAT is stupid.

For goodness sakes, what's the big deal?

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Is there a guide somewhere that addresses what kind of topics/discussions are unacceptable around here (Feedback as a whole, not just FYM), and what leads to "banishment" or closing of threads?

Miss Spirality,

Just for education's sake, I think these are a few topics that could get you banned...NOTE.. I'm not saying I would ban you or anyone for these, But just Trying to get this question .. this SINCERE one apparently, so we all know what will get us the Big Fat boot.. Posters, I'm not necessarily posting these, more just adding to the thread some things that may be cause to get you banned.

-Any post with the words 'nigger', 'chink', 'kike', 'cracker', or 'polak'.

-Any post that calls for a reincarnation of the 'REAL KKK', complete with threats to the minority races in the free world, Though apparently their latest agenda issue.. 'Any Movie with Jennifer Aniston in it is Bad', is gaining momentum in the free enterprise.


-Any post that directly references the stereotypes of 'Dirty Hispanics', 'Drunk Irishmen', 'Well Hung Blackmen', 'Greasers', or 'Mushroom Bruising Faggots'.

Just due to the fact that there is no real policy except a loose little ditty, I just figured I'd try and give people an idea, or some ideas for the mods to reply to and let us know various sorts of things that would or would not be 'Stars in Salome's Eyes', I know I'm not a mod in here, but The rest of the other posters have chimed in.

TheU2, I'm sorry I didn't get to know you.

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