should this book be written?

JOFO · 11-27-2002, 10:35 PM

it would be entitled "why the rest of the world hates the united states", and what it would be is a history of how our government, presumably, has fucked up over the last century so as to get us to our current position.

I would love to read something like that, so I can understand the hatred directed at us now.

nbcrusader · 11-27-2002, 10:56 PM

Subtitled "Why we prefer dignified ineffectual leadership"

Zoomerang96 · 11-28-2002, 12:24 AM

ya ive heard about this, and id really be interested in reading it.

though, i wonder, will this book be based on opinion, or will the author give referenced detail to his claims?

JOFO · 11-28-2002, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zoomerang96
ya ive heard about this, and id really be interested in reading it.

though, i wonder, will this book be based on opinion, or will the author give referenced detail to his claims?

what the fuck are you talking about?????

I'm asking a rhetorical question.

never mind.

Angela Harlem · 11-28-2002, 12:41 AM

Feisty, JOFO. Its a question I'm sure many people have pondered.

I'm with zoomerang on the opinion it would be fairly counter-productive to have it filled with 'opinion' and little fact to back up reasons why America is disliked by certain groups/nations.
Would anyone care to read a book filled with mindless racist drivel?

Anthony · 11-28-2002, 07:24 AM

Well, its not a case whether the question is rhetorical or whether such a book should exist... it already does.

The book, 'Why the World Hates America' has been at the top of the British bestseller list for well over six months, it is written by two people, both doctors of some sort - one with apparent Arab background and another Anglo-saxon.

A very good read. Don't let the title mislead you, its a 'fairly' balanced book with some very infotmative and poignant arguments.

Ant.

Anthony · 11-28-2002, 07:26 AM

Oh, and in reply to Angela Harlem's rhetorical question - yes. Mindless racist drivel can also be very informative, if one wants a way to see the 'whole' picture, as it were.

'Mein Kampf' has been one of the most fascinating reads for me, ever. A book filled with so much hate, so much potential evil, is noteworthy of analysis.

Ant.

elizabeth · 11-28-2002, 01:49 PM

in this vein, some of you might be interested in reading Howard Zinn's "People�s History of the United States."

He's a very interesting person with a lot to say about public policy and american history. even if you don't agree with him, he will definitely spark some interesting discussions here.

Here's a link

http://www.abcnews.go.com/ABC2000/ab.../Zinn_Bio.html

theSoulfulMofo · 11-28-2002, 04:01 PM

noam chomsky

elizabeth · 11-28-2002, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theSoulfulMofo
noam chomsky

are we name dropping now?

Sparkysgrrrl · 11-28-2002, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by elizabeth

are we name dropping now?

heehee

Why Do People Hate America isn't available in the US yet of course.

Look forward to reading it, but lord knows when that will be since it seems I don't read books till 2 years after they are published but anyway...

"A People's History..." also a good read, I agree.

theSoulfulMofo · 11-29-2002, 03:28 AM

I read Howard Zinn's "People's History of the U.S. 20th Century Ed."

But I think most of what he written in that book is mostly domestic concerns... the working class/minorities/etc. fighting against the system. (Vietnam section is probably most relevant to this thread here though)

Yeah, I would probably recommend NOAM CHOMSKY

as the most direct and relevant answer to the question at hand.

Danospano · 11-29-2002, 04:45 AM

Gore Vidal recently wrote a book entitled "Perpetual War, Perpetual Peace" that touched on topics of Anti-American sentimints, the dissolving of civil liberties on the domestic front, and what motivated Bin Laden's followers as well as Timothy McVeigh's.

Another good source of material is Noam Chomsky who had a small/mini-book published entitled "9/11".

elizabeth · 11-29-2002, 10:17 AM

dano....enjoyed reading your other posts...at your rec i will pick up that NOAM CHOMSKY book.

who is named NOAM anyway???

elizabeth · 11-29-2002, 10:20 AM

ok, so i was puttering around barnes&noble and saw this book:

Terrorism and War
From the Publisher
In Terrorism and War, Howard Zinn shows that while truth is indeed the first casualty of war, there are other casualties as well including civil liberties on the home front and human rights abroad. He also explores the history of U.S. militarism and the long tradition of Americans' resistance to it, from Eugene Debs during World War I to the opponents of military intervention in Afghanistan today.

CUSTOMER REVIEWS - An Open Forum
Number of Reviews: 1 Average Rating:

T. Akram, May 14, 2002,
War of Terrorism
This book will benefit those readers who seek understanding rather than jingoist polemics. Arnove successfully follows David Barsimian who has established a tradition of probing and in-depth interviews of progressive and left intellectuals. Zinn�s writings remain refreshingly clear and poignant. Arnove�s interview questions allow Zinn to discuss this views. The book starts with Zinn�s discussion of the events of September 11th. As a historian, Zinn provides an overview of United States� long record of war and state terrorism. The struggle for peace is likely to be long and arduous. At times of war, most �intellectuals� support state power and the system of social science and humanities scholarship is devoted to serving power interest even in relatively free and open societies such as the United States. Hence, books from alternative perspective, such as War and Terrorism, become indispensable because they provide a glimpse of truth and aid in deciphering the news in the leading journals of our times and the distortions of governments and corporations.

HAS anyone read it?? Any opinions? Should I read it?

11-27-2002, 10:35 PM	#1
JOFO Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,422 Local Time: 08:01 AM	should this book be written? it would be entitled "why the rest of the world hates the united states", and what it would be is a history of how our government, presumably, has fucked up over the last century so as to get us to our current position. I would love to read something like that, so I can understand the hatred directed at us now. __________________

11-27-2002, 10:56 PM	#2
nbcrusader Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,071 Local Time: 12:01 AM	Subtitled "Why we prefer dignified ineffectual leadership" __________________

11-28-2002, 12:41 AM	#5
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 07:01 PM	Feisty, JOFO. Its a question I'm sure many people have pondered. I'm with zoomerang on the opinion it would be fairly counter-productive to have it filled with 'opinion' and little fact to back up reasons why America is disliked by certain groups/nations. Would anyone care to read a book filled with mindless racist drivel? __________________

11-28-2002, 07:24 AM	#6
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 08:01 AM	Well, its not a case whether the question is rhetorical or whether such a book should exist... it already does. The book, 'Why the World Hates America' has been at the top of the British bestseller list for well over six months, it is written by two people, both doctors of some sort - one with apparent Arab background and another Anglo-saxon. A very good read. Don't let the title mislead you, its a 'fairly' balanced book with some very infotmative and poignant arguments. Ant. __________________ Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren't lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. Dorothy Parker, 'Resumé'

11-28-2002, 07:26 AM	#7
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 08:01 AM	Oh, and in reply to Angela Harlem's rhetorical question - yes. Mindless racist drivel can also be very informative, if one wants a way to see the 'whole' picture, as it were. 'Mein Kampf' has been one of the most fascinating reads for me, ever. A book filled with so much hate, so much potential evil, is noteworthy of analysis. Ant. __________________ Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren't lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. Dorothy Parker, 'Resumé'

11-28-2002, 12:24 AM	#3
Zoomerang96 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: canada Posts: 13,462 Local Time: 03:01 AM	ya ive heard about this, and id really be interested in reading it. though, i wonder, will this book be based on opinion, or will the author give referenced detail to his claims?

11-28-2002, 01:49 PM	#8
elizabeth New Yorker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: PANTSburgh, PA Posts: 3,046 Local Time: 03:01 AM	in this vein, some of you might be interested in reading Howard Zinn's "People�s History of the United States." He's a very interesting person with a lot to say about public policy and american history. even if you don't agree with him, he will definitely spark some interesting discussions here. Here's a link http://www.abcnews.go.com/ABC2000/ab.../Zinn_Bio.html

11-28-2002, 04:01 PM	#9
theSoulfulMofo Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,490 Local Time: 01:01 AM	noam chomsky

11-29-2002, 03:28 AM	#12
theSoulfulMofo Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,490 Local Time: 01:01 AM	I read Howard Zinn's "People's History of the U.S. 20th Century Ed." But I think most of what he written in that book is mostly domestic concerns... the working class/minorities/etc. fighting against the system. (Vietnam section is probably most relevant to this thread here though) Yeah, I would probably recommend NOAM CHOMSKY as the most direct and relevant answer to the question at hand.

11-29-2002, 04:45 AM	#13
Danospano Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 03:01 AM	Gore Vidal recently wrote a book entitled "Perpetual War, Perpetual Peace" that touched on topics of Anti-American sentimints, the dissolving of civil liberties on the domestic front, and what motivated Bin Laden's followers as well as Timothy McVeigh's. Another good source of material is Noam Chomsky who had a small/mini-book published entitled "9/11".

11-29-2002, 10:17 AM	#14
elizabeth New Yorker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: PANTSburgh, PA Posts: 3,046 Local Time: 03:01 AM	dano....enjoyed reading your other posts...at your rec i will pick up that NOAM CHOMSKY book. who is named NOAM anyway???

11-29-2002, 10:20 AM	#15
elizabeth New Yorker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: PANTSburgh, PA Posts: 3,046 Local Time: 03:01 AM	ok, so i was puttering around barnes&noble and saw this book: Terrorism and War From the Publisher In Terrorism and War, Howard Zinn shows that while truth is indeed the first casualty of war, there are other casualties as well including civil liberties on the home front and human rights abroad. He also explores the history of U.S. militarism and the long tradition of Americans' resistance to it, from Eugene Debs during World War I to the opponents of military intervention in Afghanistan today. CUSTOMER REVIEWS - An Open Forum Number of Reviews: 1 Average Rating: T. Akram, May 14, 2002, War of Terrorism This book will benefit those readers who seek understanding rather than jingoist polemics. Arnove successfully follows David Barsimian who has established a tradition of probing and in-depth interviews of progressive and left intellectuals. Zinn�s writings remain refreshingly clear and poignant. Arnove�s interview questions allow Zinn to discuss this views. The book starts with Zinn�s discussion of the events of September 11th. As a historian, Zinn provides an overview of United States� long record of war and state terrorism. The struggle for peace is likely to be long and arduous. At times of war, most �intellectuals� support state power and the system of social science and humanities scholarship is devoted to serving power interest even in relatively free and open societies such as the United States. Hence, books from alternative perspective, such as War and Terrorism, become indispensable because they provide a glimpse of truth and aid in deciphering the news in the leading journals of our times and the distortions of governments and corporations. HAS anyone read it?? Any opinions? Should I read it? __________________

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