Should the U.S. Attack Switzerland?

melon · 09-23-2001, 11:30 AM

Well, Dubya did state that "he will not make a distinction over terrorism and nations that harbor terrorism."

In investigating the money laundering trail in the stock market, the U.S. is stuck at Switzerland, whose banks refuse to release information regarding any financial transactions.

Does this mean that Switzerland is harboring terrorism by refusing to cooperate? Should Dubya come in with his proverbial mechanical bull and smash the Swiss into submission?

You know my answer to this. I'm just trying to provoke a response out of people here.

Melon

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Angela Harlem · 09-23-2001, 12:17 PM

melon, your point is a good one. Bush needs to be careful with his broad statements I think. Any politician does.
Still, we culd spend all day nitpicking over every detail in their addresses. They are human and say such stuff like all of us.

*waits for the responses*

zoomerang II · 09-23-2001, 01:13 PM

There is proof that Bin Ladens network has financial investments in Jersey, the Cayman Islands and a few other tax havens as well...

What the world needs is reform of tax havens and greater discolsure of financial transactions. With respect to Switzerland it is outragous this didn't happen after WWII.

TylerDurden · 09-23-2001, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
The Swiss are white. We don't bomb white people.

(if you think I'm racist for saying that, then you are missing the point entirely)

Aah..so no strategic missile attacks on Belfast to knock out the IRA either.

80sU2isBest · 09-23-2001, 07:37 PM

Melon, where did you hear this about the Swiss? I wonder if it's just another rumor. I haven't heard about it on Fox News, and it's not on their web site. And usually, if it's not on Fox News, it didn't happen.

whammy · 09-23-2001, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon:

In investigating the money laundering trail in the stock market, the U.S. is stuck at Switzerland, whose banks refuse to release information regarding any financial transactions.

Melon

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Well, they said today that, "Switzerland is giving it's full cooperation ACROSS THE BOARD."

This of course was on "spoon-fed" CNN about 1800 central time.

Quote:

I'm just trying to provoke a response out of people here.
Melon

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GOD BLESS AMERICA

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kobayashi · 09-23-2001, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Melon, where did you hear this about the Swiss? I wonder if it's just another rumor. I haven't heard about it on Fox News, and it's not on their web site. And usually, if it's not on Fox News, it didn't happen.

ahhh fox news, the finest of the news.
http://www.fair.org/reports/fox.html

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melon · 09-23-2001, 08:01 PM

Yes, thank you kobayashi. You got it before I did.

And for those too lazy to click the link, FOX News is one of the most biased and conservative news channels there is. CNN is #2. What does that mean? The facts are distorted.

For example, CNN reported on Jerry Falwell and neglected to mention, in their list of what Falwell stated as the cause of these terrorist acts, that Falwell believed that homosexuals were to blame. Little things omitted here and there makes for bad news reporting. Little things like Switzerland's financial institutions not cooperating leads to bad news reporting.

I heard this bit on Switzerland when NBC was talking to the State Department and talking about how bin Laden was profiting on our stock market. They were saying you had to often trace 10 different transactions from several different banks in several different countries, but it could be traced. However, the U.S. was stumbling every time, as the Swiss banks refused to disclose information, which is their normal policy. Hence, my post here.

Melon

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80sU2isBest · 09-23-2001, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
The Swiss are white. We don't bomb white people.

(if you think I'm racist for saying that, then you are missing the point entirely)

what exactly IS your point?

melon · 09-23-2001, 10:33 PM

I believe his point is that the U.S. is more reluctant to bomb white nations over non-white nations.

Since Afghanistan is Arab, rather than white, the logic would be that it would be much easier for the U.S. to hate them and blow the shit out of them.

Since Switzerland is white, the logic would be that the U.S. would be far more open to dialogue, rather than bombing them.

Melon

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The Wanderer · 09-23-2001, 11:42 PM

gonzo, when has the IRA attacked the United States? also, to say that the US is only willing to go after these terrorists because they are not "white people" is way off the track, and you know it

DoctorGonzo · 09-24-2001, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Well, Dubya did state that "he will not make a distinction over terrorism and nations that harbor terrorism."

The Swiss are white. We don't bomb white people.

(if you think I'm racist for saying that, then you are missing the point entirely)

Johnny Swallow · 09-24-2001, 02:27 AM

Carpet bombing 24/7!!!

...we don't need watches or cheese anyway.

Rono · 09-24-2001, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny Swallow:
Carpet bombing 24/7!!!

...we don't need watches or cheese anyway.

What is wrong whit carpet ? Don`t you like the colour ?

Rono · 09-24-2001, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon:
Well, Dubya did state that "he will not make a distinction over terrorism and nations that harbor terrorism."

Well, it is a strange statement. What about
pakistan ? 3 Months ago it was in the opinion
of Amerika a terrorist state. A bandit state
and one of the reasons that they want a
anti missile shield. And now they getting
money and the tradeban will be lifted.

Another point i do not understand is that
countries had to sign a paper that stated
that they not support terrorism and will
give all the infomation and support America
demands. So far so good. But if they
not sign that paper, they would be labelt as
terror states and can expect tradebans, political and financial bans. Wel, i call that state terror from a country that in the
past 8 months did not give a damn about
signed papers and early made treaty`s.

Do not get me wrong, get the bastards.

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Klodomir · 09-25-2001, 06:02 AM

Well, there is a grain of truth to it, IMO. The Swiss look like us, think like us, and smell of cheese rather than strange spices, so it's harder to imagine attacking them. And they're right in our midst, of course (at least for those of us living in Europe).

DoctorGonzo · 09-25-2001, 09:37 PM

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gonzo, when has the IRA attacked the United States? also, to say that the US is only willing to go after these terrorists because they are not "white people" is way off the track, and you know it

I suggest you re-read my post.

Nowhere did I mention the IRA or Northern Ireland.

Nowhere did I mention that the only reason we are going after the terrorists is because they are not caucasion.

In fact, your entire response is to comments I never made in this thread. Perhaps you should reevaluate your reading comprehension skills before you make another idiotic post that only serves to embarass yourself.

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TylerDurden · 09-25-2001, 09:49 PM

It was I that mentioned the IRA, and I was being a dick.
Although, seriously, they are terrorists, and although they haven't attacked the US, if you want to rid 'the world' and the UK are such major players in this....

Although in a good indirect way, I don't think the IRA or Real IRA will be doing much of that anymore because of all of this...

But yeah, I was just being a dick.

09-28-2001, 07:47 PM

Melon,
The Idea that the USA is reluctant to bomb or go to war against "white nations" just is not so. Think Germany, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Italy.

melon · 09-28-2001, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by STING:
Melon,
The Idea that the USA is reluctant to bomb or go to war against "white nations" just is not so. Think Germany, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Italy.

Umm...don't blame me. That's DoctorGonzo. I didn't play the race card. I am talking about a nation.

But this post might be dated. I'm thinking that Switzerland is cooperating now, when it wasn't when this was written.

Melon

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09-23-2001, 11:30 AM	#1
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 09:52 AM	Should the U.S. Attack Switzerland? Well, Dubya did state that "he will not make a distinction over terrorism and nations that harbor terrorism." In investigating the money laundering trail in the stock market, the U.S. is stuck at Switzerland, whose banks refuse to release information regarding any financial transactions. Does this mean that Switzerland is harboring terrorism by refusing to cooperate? Should Dubya come in with his proverbial mechanical bull and smash the Swiss into submission? You know my answer to this. I'm just trying to provoke a response out of people here. Melon ------------------ *How long must we sing this song?!* __________________

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09-23-2001, 12:17 PM	#2
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 12:52 AM	melon, your point is a good one. Bush needs to be careful with his broad statements I think. Any politician does. Still, we culd spend all day nitpicking over every detail in their addresses. They are human and say such stuff like all of us. waits for the responses __________________

09-23-2001, 01:13 PM	#3
zoomerang II War Child Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: melbourne, terra australis Posts: 657 Local Time: 12:52 AM	There is proof that Bin Ladens network has financial investments in Jersey, the Cayman Islands and a few other tax havens as well... What the world needs is reform of tax havens and greater discolsure of financial transactions. With respect to Switzerland it is outragous this didn't happen after WWII.

09-23-2001, 07:37 PM	#5
80sU2isBest Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 4,970 Local Time: 08:52 AM	Melon, where did you hear this about the Swiss? I wonder if it's just another rumor. I haven't heard about it on Fox News, and it's not on their web site. And usually, if it's not on Fox News, it didn't happen.

09-23-2001, 08:01 PM	#8
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 09:52 AM	Yes, thank you kobayashi. You got it before I did. And for those too lazy to click the link, FOX News is one of the most biased and conservative news channels there is. CNN is #2. What does that mean? The facts are distorted. For example, CNN reported on Jerry Falwell and neglected to mention, in their list of what Falwell stated as the cause of these terrorist acts, that Falwell believed that homosexuals were to blame. Little things omitted here and there makes for bad news reporting. Little things like Switzerland's financial institutions not cooperating leads to bad news reporting. I heard this bit on Switzerland when NBC was talking to the State Department and talking about how bin Laden was profiting on our stock market. They were saying you had to often trace 10 different transactions from several different banks in several different countries, but it could be traced. However, the U.S. was stumbling every time, as the Swiss banks refused to disclose information, which is their normal policy. Hence, my post here. Melon ------------------ *How long must we sing this song?!*

09-23-2001, 10:33 PM	#10
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 09:52 AM	I believe his point is that the U.S. is more reluctant to bomb white nations over non-white nations. Since Afghanistan is Arab, rather than white, the logic would be that it would be much easier for the U.S. to hate them and blow the shit out of them. Since Switzerland is white, the logic would be that the U.S. would be far more open to dialogue, rather than bombing them. Melon ------------------ *How long must we sing this song?!*

09-23-2001, 11:42 PM	#11
The Wanderer Kid A Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Holy Roman Empire Posts: 5,271 Local Time: 08:52 AM	gonzo, when has the IRA attacked the United States? also, to say that the US is only willing to go after these terrorists because they are not "white people" is way off the track, and you know it

09-24-2001, 02:27 AM	#13
Johnny Swallow Bad Daddy Johnny Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 1,925 Local Time: 08:52 AM	Carpet bombing 24/7!!! ...we don't need watches or cheese anyway.

09-25-2001, 06:02 AM	#16
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 02:52 PM	Well, there is a grain of truth to it, IMO. The Swiss look like us, think like us, and smell of cheese rather than strange spices, so it's harder to imagine attacking them. And they're right in our midst, of course (at least for those of us living in Europe).

09-25-2001, 09:49 PM	#18
TylerDurden War Child Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 940 Local Time: 01:52 PM	It was I that mentioned the IRA, and I was being a dick. Although, seriously, they are terrorists, and although they haven't attacked the US, if you want to rid 'the world' and the UK are such major players in this.... Although in a good indirect way, I don't think the IRA or Real IRA will be doing much of that anymore because of all of this... But yeah, I was just being a dick.

09-28-2001, 07:47 PM	#19
STING Guest Posts: n/a Local Time: 01:52 PM	Melon, The Idea that the USA is reluctant to bomb or go to war against "white nations" just is not so. Think Germany, Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Italy.