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Old 09-28-2001, 10:36 PM   #21
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oh I'm sorry Gonzo, i have no reading comprehension skills, you said the Swiss wouldn't be bombed because they are white people; ok, then the middle east would be bombed because they are not??? and I thus applied this reasoning to another situation (ie, Northern Ireland), where by your reasoning would suggest, (as with Switzerland), these those terrorists would not be punished because they are white... in short, your argument is that the United States is reluctant to bomb "white people," no? yet as others have pointed out you are quick to forget Germany, Serbia, Kosovo and Italy (not to mention a Cold War with the USSR)

sorry if i extrapolated beyond what you wrote Gonzo, oh great one of wisdom and intellect
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sorry if i extrapolated beyond what you wrote Gonzo, oh great one of wisdom and intellect
I have a reason to suspect you are being dreadfully sarcastic and you are referring to me, rather than Gonzo. If this is not true, I apologize ahead of time. If you are being sarcastic and referring to me, allow me to proverbially beat some sense into you.

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Well, Dubya did state that "he will not make a distinction over terrorism and nations that harbor terrorism."

In investigating the money laundering trail in the stock market, the U.S. is stuck at Switzerland, whose banks refuse to release information regarding any financial transactions.

Does this mean that Switzerland is harboring terrorism by refusing to cooperate? Should Dubya come in with his proverbial mechanical bull and smash the Swiss into submission?

You know my answer to this. I'm just trying to provoke a response out of people here.
No mention of race relations. In fact, it didn't cross my mind. I was thinking more along the lines that the U.S. won't bomb countries seen as "Western allies." You can, I guess, interpret that to mean white people. I can't help if Europe is white.

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The Swiss are white. We don't bomb white people.

(if you think I'm racist for saying that, then you are missing the point entirely)
The contentious "race card." I, obviously, didn't write it.

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what exactly IS your point?
A question is made in reference to DoctorGonzo's post.

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I believe his point is that the U.S. is more reluctant to bomb white nations over non-white nations.

Since Afghanistan is Arab, rather than white, the logic would be that it would be much easier for the U.S. to hate them and blow the shit out of them.

Since Switzerland is white, the logic would be that the U.S. would be far more open to dialogue, rather than bombing them.
This is not my belief. I've heard this racial excuse before, so I thought I'd try and interpret it for 80sU2isBest. I probably, in hindsight, should have either ignored it or rewrote it. But what's done is done. Synopsis: this entire post is an attempt to interpret what DoctorGonzo wrote on a theoretical basis, and does not reflect my opinions.

However, this is where it gets complicated. 80sU2isBest did understand this distinction I wrote above, and wrote a post thanking me for helping--but it's gone, likely because it was written on the day of the forum server switch, where all the posts that day were consigned into oblivion.

I do not take unfounded accusations lightly, and if necessary, I will proverbially pound everyone into the ground--and I don't discriminate by race here either.

Melon

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Old 09-28-2001, 11:37 PM   #23
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uh, without even bothering to read what you wrote melon, let me just tell you i was referring to Gonzo in that post, I think it was you who actually mentioned World War II, etc before but some of the stuff written in this thread is gone so I don't even care... right, so anyway, i was being dreadfully sarcastic towards Gonzo who saw fit to call me an idiot/dumbass/licker of anuses in not so many words

and don't think you will be pounding me into the ground anytime soon melon, i will bury you (puts shoe back on)

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Old 09-28-2001, 11:51 PM   #24
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Well, like I said, it was questionable, and I did apologize beforehand if I was mistaken.

Sorry...hehe...

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A question for those of you in the anti-USA camp:

Are you pissed off at Jordan for offering us their full support?
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Old 09-30-2001, 12:05 AM   #26
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not at all Bama!

I think it's great Jordan is returning to the NBA
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But will it harm his overall career record?
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Old 09-30-2001, 02:33 AM   #28
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perhaps Bama, i don't think he could have had a more perfect, story-book ending to his career the way it was, but he continues to say this is for "the love of the game" and I'll tell you what, I think that's one of the best things I've ever heard coming out of the mouth of an athlete because I think he sincerely means it and he is putting his legendary status on the line because he desperately loves to play and feels like he has another good year or two left in his body; i mean, if he was coming back to play for say, the LA Lakers just to be a part of another championship team (and Phil Jackson made the offer), then i would have actually thought less of him because he was just jumping aboard for a sure thing, the Washington Wizards are the furthest thing from that and who cares if he doesn't go out like he did the last time, in my mind he is still the greatest player ever, and I will be thankful I get the chance to watch him in action one more time around for the next year or two; and besides, don't be surprised if Jordan's return lures a big time free agent or two next off season to join up with him in DC

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perhaps Bama, i don't think he could have had a more perfect, story-book ending to his career the way it was, but he continues to say this is for "the love of the game" and I'll tell you what, I think that's one of the best things I've ever heard coming out of the mouth of an athlete because I think he sincerely means it and he is putting his legendary status on the line because he desperately loves to play and feels like he has another good year or two left in his body; i mean, if he was coming back to play for say, the LA Lakers just to be a part of another championship team (and Phil Jackson made the offer), then i would have actually thought less of him because he was just jumping aboard for a sure thing, the Washington Wizards are the furthest thing from that and who cares if he doesn't go out like he did the last time, in my mind he is still the greatest player ever, and I will be thankful I get the chance to watch him in action one more time around for the next year or two; and besides, don't be surprised if Jordan's return lures a big time free agent or two next off season to join up with him in DC

there's some Swiss cheese for ya...

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Also don't be surprised if the team sucks and Jordan gets pissed off at their lack of effort on the court and decides to quit mid-season. Anybody remember what happened when Magic started coaching the Lakers?
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suck? nah...

the will win at least 40 - 45 games which is enough to make the playoffs in the NBA
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suck? nah...

the will win at least 40 - 45 games which is enough to make the playoffs in the NBA
Yeah, but do you really think that losing a first-round series to Philadelphia is going to sit well with Jordan? I can see him being every bit as competitive as he was before he retired, but I can't see him mellowing out to the point where he's going to suffer gladly the mortal fools who play alongside him.

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Old 10-01-2001, 12:33 AM   #32
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well, I don't know exactly what Jordan has planned for the next two years, I give him the benefit of the doubt, but I do know the Wizards will have a great deal of salary cap space open after this season
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