Should The Bin Laden Videotape Be Released?

Gina Marie · 12-10-2001, 07:39 PM

The tape that was seized in Afghanistan-in which he talks of his delight in watching the news on 9/11 and gloats about his 'accomplishment'.

Apparently President Bush wants to release it, and is waiting for a final translation and to iron out any security issues.

Personally, I need no further 'proof' regarding him or his motives-and to give him this kind of attention is just what he wants. Whatever 'cave' he is in sure seems to have great media and Net access.

Here's a link w/ more information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...n_tape_21.html

Nate Dogg · 12-10-2001, 08:08 PM

If they don't release it now, someone will eventually buy the rights to it and include it on the "Terrorists Gone Wild" DVD......
so, yeah, they should release it now.

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No particular song
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What am I hiding from?"

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Thermopylae · 12-10-2001, 08:10 PM

that was funny njf

I think we should release it just to show the people who still do not believe Bin Laden was behind this that they are mistaken...

Gina Marie · 12-10-2001, 08:13 PM

Are there people who believe he wasn't behind it?

I guess they believe in the tooth fairy too.

DoctorGonzo · 12-10-2001, 08:51 PM

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Are there people who believe he wasn't behind it?

I guess they believe in the tooth fairy too.

There are people all over the world. They have seen no evidence and they have been lied to by the U.S government before.

U2Bama · 12-10-2001, 08:57 PM

Right; some people think Israel did it.

The Wanderer · 12-10-2001, 09:26 PM

I thought Nike was behind this.

speedracer · 12-10-2001, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by DoctorGonzo:
There are people all over the world. They have seen no evidence and they have been lied to by the U.S government before.

True.

But there are reasons that the US has been reluctant to release evidence of ObL and al-Qaeda's involvement in the attacks. Cynics have said it's because the evidence is flimsy or circumstantial at best, but I think it's fair to say that releasing such evidence could have hampered US intelligence efforts.

Still, there probably is a time where it's going to be counterproductive to keep hiding the evidence.

Klodomir · 12-11-2001, 03:22 AM

I definitely want to see it. Just saying that they have it isn't good enough for me. I'm fairly sure that Bin Laden is behind it, but hey, it could also just be three months of propaganda having melted my brain.

[This message has been edited by Klodomir (edited 12-11-2001).]

DrTeeth · 12-11-2001, 03:59 AM

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Originally posted by Klodomir:
I definitely want to see it. Just saying that they have it isn't good enough for me. I'm fairly sure that Bin Laden is behind it, but hey, it could also just be two months of propaganda having melted my brain.

Me too!!!

Is it true that the only evidence on that tape is OBL saying the WTC substained more damage than he expected? Crap evidence if you ask me...

speedracer · 12-11-2001, 07:20 AM

Bush claims that the tape reveals that bin Laden had considerable knowledge of the details of the WTC attacks - for example, that some of the hijackers didn't know they were in for a suicide mission until they boarded the plane.

Lemonite · 12-11-2001, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by DrTeeth:
Me too!!!

Is it true that the only evidence on that tape is OBL saying the WTC substained more damage than he expected? Crap evidence if you ask me...

FRankly, I don't care how much they sit on their evidence, In a perfect world for me, there would be no media coverage of this war, reports would be made when bin laden and associates were dismanteld and killed, and teh gov't would just go on about their business and take care of everything, but yah,there are stil people who doubt bin laden's involvement, I've read a few on this board, and now that this phase of the war is almost over, I guess it wouldn't be all that counter productive to sit on teh evidence.. but have you heard of teh latest Bin LAden suicide on TV rumors sparking attacks on Capitol, eiiffel tower.. and somewhere else..

DoctorGonzo · 12-11-2001, 09:37 PM

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FRankly, I don't care how much they sit on their evidence, In a perfect world for me, there would be no media coverage of this war, reports would be made when bin laden and associates were dismanteld and killed, and teh gov't would just go on about their business and take care of everything,

The government has shown time and time again that when it is free from scrutiny, it will think nothing of engaging in illegal and immoral actions.

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Right; some people think Israel did it.

Some people remember the U.S government implying Nicaragua was going to invade Texas back in the 80's

Danospano · 12-11-2001, 09:54 PM

I don't believe anything the government tells me. It's not in their "best interest" to tell the truth.

Therefore, even if they show the tape, I will want a personal translator to look at it and tell me what he's admitting...if anything at all.

U2Bama · 12-11-2001, 10:01 PM

Who do y'all think did it then?

speedracer · 12-11-2001, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Danospano:
I don't believe anything the government tells me. It's not in their "best interest" to tell the truth.

How do we know the government is lying? Because it's not in its best interest to tell the truth.

How do we know it's not in the goverment's best interest to tell the truth? Because the truth isn't very attractive.

How do we know the truth isn't very attractive?

[This message has been edited by speedracer (edited 12-11-2001).]

bonoman · 12-12-2001, 02:54 AM

Another lead into the 6 o'clock news.

Just what Americans want...right?

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Klodomir · 12-12-2001, 03:25 AM

No matter who's behind this, we'd all be in big trouble if nobody ever questioned their government's authority.

DoctorGonzo · 12-12-2001, 08:03 AM

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No matter who's behind this, we'd all be in big trouble if nobody ever questioned their government's authority.

So true.

The government claims to be "defending freedom" and then turns around and pulls shit like this:

link

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Individuals brought before the tribunals would have no right to a jury trial, no right to confront their accusers and no right to judicial review of trial procedures or sentences, which could include death.

Sounds like what we are claiming to defend, right?

So, people rightly criticize such measures.

And what does the Attorney General of The United States say in response?

Quote:

"To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists."

So exercising your First Amendment rights now makes you a terrorist and voicing your disagreement with those who wish to trample the Constitution - and the liberties we are supposed to be defending - makes you just as bad as those who finaced the September 11 attacks.

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Lilly · 12-12-2001, 11:22 AM

I guess it's a matter of translation. Whenever I see him on his tapes and hear the translator's voice over it I wonder what he's ACTUALLY saying...so yes, I want to see it, but that doesn't stop me from questioning what he's saying.

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12-10-2001, 07:39 PM	#1
Gina Marie Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bruce's land of hope and dreams Posts: 5,404 Local Time: 05:10 AM	Should The Bin Laden Videotape Be Released? The tape that was seized in Afghanistan-in which he talks of his delight in watching the news on 9/11 and gloats about his 'accomplishment'. Apparently President Bush wants to release it, and is waiting for a final translation and to iron out any security issues. Personally, I need no further 'proof' regarding him or his motives-and to give him this kind of attention is just what he wants. Whatever 'cave' he is in sure seems to have great media and Net access. Here's a link w/ more information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...n_tape_21.html __________________

12-10-2001, 08:08 PM	#2
Nate Dogg Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,254 Local Time: 06:10 AM	If they don't release it now, someone will eventually buy the rights to it and include it on the "Terrorists Gone Wild" DVD...... so, yeah, they should release it now. ------------------ Nate "No particular place names No particular song I've been hiding What am I hiding from?" -Zooropa __________________

12-12-2001, 11:22 AM	#20
Lilly Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: back and to the left Posts: 8,523 Local Time: 04:10 AM	I guess it's a matter of translation. Whenever I see him on his tapes and hear the translator's voice over it I wonder what he's ACTUALLY saying...so yes, I want to see it, but that doesn't stop me from questioning what he's saying. ------------------ Go lightly down your darkened way. __________________

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12-10-2001, 08:10 PM	#3
Thermopylae The Fly Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: North Bay, CA USA Posts: 83 Local Time: 10:10 AM	that was funny njf I think we should release it just to show the people who still do not believe Bin Laden was behind this that they are mistaken...

12-10-2001, 08:13 PM	#4
Gina Marie Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bruce's land of hope and dreams Posts: 5,404 Local Time: 05:10 AM	Are there people who believe he wasn't behind it? I guess they believe in the tooth fairy too.

12-10-2001, 08:57 PM	#6
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:10 AM	Right; some people think Israel did it.

12-10-2001, 09:26 PM	#7
The Wanderer Kid A Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Holy Roman Empire Posts: 5,271 Local Time: 05:10 AM	I thought Nike was behind this.

12-11-2001, 03:22 AM	#9
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 11:10 AM	I definitely want to see it. Just saying that they have it isn't good enough for me. I'm fairly sure that Bin Laden is behind it, but hey, it could also just be three months of propaganda having melted my brain. [This message has been edited by Klodomir (edited 12-11-2001).]

12-11-2001, 07:20 AM	#11
speedracer Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,604 Local Time: 06:10 AM	Bush claims that the tape reveals that bin Laden had considerable knowledge of the details of the WTC attacks - for example, that some of the hijackers didn't know they were in for a suicide mission until they boarded the plane.

12-11-2001, 09:54 PM	#14
Danospano Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 05:10 AM	I don't believe anything the government tells me. It's not in their "best interest" to tell the truth. Therefore, even if they show the tape, I will want a personal translator to look at it and tell me what he's admitting...if anything at all.

12-11-2001, 10:01 PM	#15
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 05:10 AM	Who do y'all think did it then?

12-12-2001, 02:54 AM	#17
bonoman Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmonton, Canada- Charlestown, Ireland Posts: 1,398 Local Time: 03:10 AM	Another lead into the 6 o'clock news. Just what Americans want...right? ------------------ Running to Stand Still-"you gotta cry without weeping, talk without speaking, scream without raising your voice." "we're not burning out we're burning up...we're the loudest folk band in the world!"-Bono

12-12-2001, 03:25 AM	#18
Klodomir Refugee Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,198 Local Time: 11:10 AM	No matter who's behind this, we'd all be in big trouble if nobody ever questioned their government's authority.