Should Obama accept McCain's idea of the two of them visiting Iraq???

[Harry Vest]

Originally Posted by deep

that is just a flat out silly claim

jesus, I was there in 92, I was 36

I know who the Perrot supporters were


I don't care what the right-wing AM radio talkers say.

I'm ready to explode now...I'll try not to swear...I will try...I will.
I followed the whole Ross Perot phenemenon from the very beginning and I know for a fact that out of the 18 or 19 million votes he received that most were from people who would never have voted for Bill Clinton...thus stealing the majority of votes from Bush. This was Perot's plan from the very beginning. He hated Bush and everything he stood for ever since Bush ignored him on the Vietnam veteren issue. Remember the debates?????
Remember how kinder Perot was to Clinton????? I've still got the debates on tape so I can prove it...mister " I was there in 92". Sorry, but the fact is that without Ross Perot Bill Clinton would have lost the election. As far as Hillary Clinton goes...don't even make an attempt to go there...It's over...Finished...Kapoot. Thank the Lord!!!!!!

[A_Wanderer]

Praise Jeebus :Pray:

[anitram]

The legalities of seating MI and FL:

WASHINGTON - A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to seat some delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully restore the two states as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to party lawyers.
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Democratic National Committee rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, the party's legal experts wrote in a 38-page memo.

The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday at a Washington hotel. The committee is considering ways to include the two important general election battlegrounds at the nominating convention in August, and the staff analysis says seating half the delegates is "as far as it legally can" go.

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[2861U2]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

seriously. are gaffes all you have?

Not at all. There are a million substantive reasons I don't like Obama. Verbal gaffes weigh in at about a 1.0 on the Richter Scale. I'm just sensing a little hypocrisy when it comes to fumbling up sentences, mispronouncing words, etc. If Obama says "hello, Sioux City" when he's actually in Sioux Falls, I really don't care. I'm sure the man is tired. But you need to be as forgiving and understanding when President Bush makes a similar mistake.

[vaz02]

Hopefully they will go to Iraq with the best of intentions instead of using the troops as a photoshoot and political pawn.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

Not at all. There are a million substantive reasons I don't like Obama. Verbal gaffes weigh in at about a 1.0 on the Richter Scale. I'm just sensing a little hypocrisy when it comes to fumbling up sentences, mispronouncing words, etc. If Obama says "hello, Sioux City" when he's actually in Sioux Falls, I really don't care. I'm sure the man is tired. But you need to be as forgiving and understanding when President Bush makes a similar mistake.

from an amusement standpoint, there's a world of difference between a factual misstatement, and the grammatical trainwreck that is GWB. but that's only humor, it isn't substantive from a policy standpoint, i do agree with that. however, GWB's misstatements -- made while president, not while exhaustively campaigning for 6 months -- appear to belie his well-known lack of intellectual curiosity and it adds grist to the mill for those who think that this president is quite a bit dimmer than those who typically occupy the Oval Office. this isn't necessarily a fair conclusion to draw, but you can't argue the point that Bush isn't helping himself get out of the he-really-is-stupid hole.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by 2861U2

But you need to be as forgiving and understanding when President Bush makes a similar mistake.

Trust me Bush makes similar mistakes to that to which you stated everyday, those aren't the ones that make the headlines. Saying the wrong city shouldn't even be a blip on the screen.

If you can't honestly see the difference then you are the one that can't be equally critical.

[A_Wanderer]

apparently not

"John McCain's proposal is nothing more than a political stunt, and we don't need any more 'Mission Accomplished' banners or walks through Baghdad markets to know that Iraq's leaders have not made the political progress that was the stated purpose of the surge. The American people don't want any more false promises of progress, they deserve a real debate about a war that has overstretched our military, and cost us thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars without making us safer."