Should homosexual couples be able to adopt kids? - Page 5

pax · 11-16-2002, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by martha

Meanwhile, until this perfect world is acheived, you prefer that children who could be raised in loving homes should remain in group homes and foster homes until...? What?

Yeah, I'd like to know that too. I'm not quite sure how, given the choice between two same-sex parents with a stable, loving home and the uncertainty of foster or respite care, someone would choose not to place the child with the two same-sex parents. This boggles my mind. How is a home with two responsible adults who WANT a child a bad thing?

melon · 11-16-2002, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Achtung_Bebe
Adoption remains a beautiful thing... couples who perhaps cannot produce children are able to raise a life.... something beautiful is made out of something untimely. Rather than twisting nature in order to suit ourselves, I think it's time the standards are raised. I do not think it is impossible to raise standards so long as enough people who feel the same come together.

You know what? This upsets me. I, and many others like me, have spent our entire fucking life looking for approval and acceptance in Christianity...only to run into flat out insulting statements like these. And are you being insulting on purpose? From what it reads, not at all...and that's what upsets me the most.

"Twisting nature."

"Raising standards."

Yes, you don't need to say it a third time. You think homosexuals, either consciously or subconsciously, are unnatural freaks undeserving of even the most basic of human emotions. Honestly? At a theoretic level, I would love to deprive you of all love, take away any chances for you having children, nonchalantly call you a "defective sinner" who just didn't have "enough faith" your entire life, and see how you would have turned out in this world. If anything, Christianity is devoid of empathy, a lost art in human emotions...and I've often wondered why I've even given a fuck all these years about Christianity, considering how "un-Christian" it is in practice.

Melon

pax · 11-16-2002, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by melon

At a theoretic level, I would love to deprive you of all love, take away any chances for you having children, nonchalantly call you a "defective sinner" who just didn't have "enough faith" your entire life, and see how you would have turned out in this world.

Even at a theoretic level, melon, this post is taking it too far and you know better. Please refrain from personal insults.

melon · 11-16-2002, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by paxetaurora
Even at a theoretic level, melon, this post is taking it too far and you know better. Please refrain from personal insults.

Who said this was personal? I'd love everyone to have to deal with this for at least a day. Maybe then this thread would have more of a human face, rather than ideological motives.

"Dehumanize your enemy..."

Melon

Laura M · 11-16-2002, 04:06 PM

Yes

there are so many children out there and all they want is someone to love them- who cares if its 2 men or 2 women they will still be loved

pax · 11-16-2002, 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by melon

I'd love everyone to have to deal with this for at least a day. Melon

Then you should have said that originally.

Mrs. Edge · 11-16-2002, 04:42 PM

As far as "standards" go, I'd pick a suitable gay set of parents to a poor set of straight parents, or no parents at all any day! Standards should be based on the care of the child! I don't have any children, but that seems pretty obvious to me....and just because some of us think gay parents are a good idea doesn't mean we are automatically anti-straight! No one here is being Hetero-phobic, or saying anything bad about straight parents in general. We are just making the point that gay parents, who will love and properly care for a child should be allowed to do so! It's so simple!

Regarding nbcrusader's comment about the "gay lifestyle" and the 70's and 80's....I am no expert on this and perhaps Melon could correct me, but I think around that time/era, gay men were really starting to come out publicly and celebrate their sexuality and generally saying we're here, get used to it. They were choosing a certain lifestyle associated with being gay....but I'm sure they didn't actually choose to be gay to begin with, which is the difference.

Nowadays, especially in cities with huge gay populations like Toronto, it's all so commonplace there is no need to push so hard. The Pride parades used to be quite outrageous and interesting, but nowadays you just have a whole bunch of gay men walking along in their shorts and Tshirts pushing strollers....not too exciting for a parade, but a good sign of acceptance in the community.

Zoomerang96 · 11-16-2002, 04:45 PM

why doesnt anyone at free your mind grow some balls and start a controversial topic for once?!

Laura M · 11-16-2002, 04:51 PM

There is a gay couple who lives 2 streets away from us i have 2 gay friends and my mum has a gay friend- i personally think they are the nicest caring sweetest people ever and nobody has the right to judge them- let ppl live they want to

One time a boy in one of my classes said if a child had 2 gay parents it would be gay- i think that so stupid- people who think like this are dispicable

diamond · 11-16-2002, 06:55 PM

would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?

melon · 11-16-2002, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by diamond
would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?

Would you mind elaborating on this question?

Melon

BAW · 11-16-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by diamond
would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?

Are you asking this because you assume he's gay or because of his latest arrest? No one who looks at child porn or has abused or hurt a child should be able to adopt...gay or straight.

diamond · 11-16-2002, 07:49 PM

How about Robert Maplethorpe?
Should this fella be permitted?(if he were alive..)?

DB9

melon · 11-16-2002, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by diamond
How about Robert Maplethorpe?
Should this fella be permitted?

First off, he's dead.

Should Anna Nicole Smith be permitted to adopt a child? Since we all know she represents heterosexuality like Robert Mapplethorpe represents homosexuality...

Melon

pax · 11-16-2002, 07:54 PM

NEWS FLASH: Pedophiles are NOT gay, regardless of the gender of the children they abuse. Pedophiles cannot technically said to be gay or straight because they fixate on *children*, and they have never sexually matured to an adult level by which they could be classified as "gay" or "straight." Let's not bring the issue of pedophilia or child molestation into this debate, as it perpetuates the VERY UNTRUE stereotype that pedophiles are overwhelmingly gay (and, even worse, that gay people are overwhelmingly pedophiliac).

And what the hell does Mapplethorpe have to do with anything, anyway? Are you referring to his homoerotic photography?

diamond · 11-16-2002, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by melon

Should Anna Nicole Smith be permitted to adopt a child? Since we all know she represents heterosexuality like Robert Mapplethorpe represents homosexuality...

Melon

Umm..
I agree w this statement..altho I do see the full figured model being a bit bi-curious..

And nobody needs to get hostile in this discussion.

DB9

Zoomerang96 · 11-16-2002, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by Dreadsox

Do you think before you type????????????

just cause you dont agree with what the person said, does not mean you should attack them in this manner.

in a discussion, different view points are presented, for your information. and believe it or not, you may not find yourself agreeing with what everyone has to say.

diamond · 11-16-2002, 09:26 PM

Heres a question that has to w the topic..regarding the best interest of kids as I think Lilly was after..

I ask these questions w the sincerest of intentions..
Please bear w me.

Ppl in the gay movement say or claim the population is 10 per cent gay.( Dont know if that is accurate but will accept for discussion's sake.)

It has also been reported that the vast majority of child abusers are hetrosexual.
Well mathamatically that makes sense, as the world is 90 per-cent..hetrosexual. Sickening but true.

So my question is -do the numbers hold out THAT less than 10 percent of convicted child molesters/child murderers are gay/bi-sexual?
or
Is it 15 percent
or
Is it my 5 per cent?

If it is 1 out of 4 peodophiles are gay/bi-sexual there would be a problem..

If it is 1 outta 15..or 1 outta 20..well then that would bode well for gay ppl..

This is not to bait anyone-(as I do not know the answer) but
only want to have a correct perspective.

Does anybody have correct/factual numbers?

Sincerely-
diamond

Peace.

Dreadsox · 11-16-2002, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by diamond
would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?

Diamond.........

Are you confusing sexual predators with gay people?

Peace

Dreadsox · 11-16-2002, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by Zoomerang96

just cause you dont agree with what the person said, does not mean you should attack them in this manner.

in a discussion, different view points are presented, for your information. and believe it or not, you may not find yourself agreeing with what everyone has to say.

I am soooooo sorry.

It was 100% appropriate to say that adopted parents cannot love a child as much as a biological parent. It is a very kind thing to say. I stand corrected. And it was said in such a polite manner.....taking onto consideration the feelings of others.

My humblest of apologies for typing out of anger. Having been adopted myself....my personal feelings got in the way.

I eagerly wait to see you correct people who have typed so many other hurtful, and even more hateful things than I.
If I sound cranky I am.....just got home from the hospital....been there for five hours.

11-16-2002, 07:54 PM	#95
pax ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ewen's new American home Posts: 11,412 Local Time: 11:33 AM	NEWS FLASH: Pedophiles are NOT gay, regardless of the gender of the children they abuse. Pedophiles cannot technically said to be gay or straight because they fixate on children, and they have never sexually matured to an adult level by which they could be classified as "gay" or "straight." Let's not bring the issue of pedophilia or child molestation into this debate, as it perpetuates the VERY UNTRUE stereotype that pedophiles are overwhelmingly gay (and, even worse, that gay people are overwhelmingly pedophiliac). And what the hell does Mapplethorpe have to do with anything, anyway? Are you referring to his homoerotic photography? __________________ and you hunger for the time time to heal, desire, time Join Amnesty.

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11-16-2002, 04:06 PM	#85
Laura M Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 18,934 Local Time: 05:33 PM	Yes there are so many children out there and all they want is someone to love them- who cares if its 2 men or 2 women they will still be loved

11-16-2002, 04:42 PM	#87
Mrs. Edge Bono's Belly Dancing Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Torontonian in Maryland Posts: 2,913 Local Time: 11:33 AM	As far as "standards" go, I'd pick a suitable gay set of parents to a poor set of straight parents, or no parents at all any day! Standards should be based on the care of the child! I don't have any children, but that seems pretty obvious to me....and just because some of us think gay parents are a good idea doesn't mean we are automatically anti-straight! No one here is being Hetero-phobic, or saying anything bad about straight parents in general. We are just making the point that gay parents, who will love and properly care for a child should be allowed to do so! It's so simple! Regarding nbcrusader's comment about the "gay lifestyle" and the 70's and 80's....I am no expert on this and perhaps Melon could correct me, but I think around that time/era, gay men were really starting to come out publicly and celebrate their sexuality and generally saying we're here, get used to it. They were choosing a certain lifestyle associated with being gay....but I'm sure they didn't actually choose to be gay to begin with, which is the difference. Nowadays, especially in cities with huge gay populations like Toronto, it's all so commonplace there is no need to push so hard. The Pride parades used to be quite outrageous and interesting, but nowadays you just have a whole bunch of gay men walking along in their shorts and Tshirts pushing strollers....not too exciting for a parade, but a good sign of acceptance in the community.

11-16-2002, 04:45 PM	#88
Zoomerang96 ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: canada Posts: 13,462 Local Time: 10:33 AM	why doesnt anyone at free your mind grow some balls and start a controversial topic for once?!

11-16-2002, 04:51 PM	#89
Laura M Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 18,934 Local Time: 05:33 PM	There is a gay couple who lives 2 streets away from us i have 2 gay friends and my mum has a gay friend- i personally think they are the nicest caring sweetest people ever and nobody has the right to judge them- let ppl live they want to One time a boy in one of my classes said if a child had 2 gay parents it would be gay- i think that so stupid- people who think like this are dispicable

11-16-2002, 06:55 PM	#90
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 08:33 AM	would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?

11-16-2002, 07:49 PM	#93
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 08:33 AM	How about Robert Maplethorpe? Should this fella be permitted?(if he were alive..)? DB9

11-16-2002, 09:26 PM	#98
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 08:33 AM	Heres a question that has to w the topic..regarding the best interest of kids as I think Lilly was after.. I ask these questions w the sincerest of intentions.. Please bear w me. Ppl in the gay movement say or claim the population is 10 per cent gay.( Dont know if that is accurate but will accept for discussion's sake.) It has also been reported that the vast majority of child abusers are hetrosexual. Well mathamatically that makes sense, as the world is 90 per-cent..hetrosexual. Sickening but true. So my question is -do the numbers hold out THAT less than 10 percent of convicted child molesters/child murderers are gay/bi-sexual? or Is it 15 percent or Is it my 5 per cent? If it is 1 out of 4 peodophiles are gay/bi-sexual there would be a problem.. If it is 1 outta 15..or 1 outta 20..well then that would bode well for gay ppl.. This is not to bait anyone-(as I do not know the answer) but only want to have a correct perspective. Does anybody have correct/factual numbers? Sincerely- diamond Peace.