Should homosexual couples be able to adopt kids?

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diamond said:
would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?:|

Are you asking this because you assume he's gay or because of his latest arrest? No one who looks at child porn or has abused or hurt a child should be able to adopt...gay or straight.
 
How about Robert Maplethorpe?
Should this fella be permitted?(if he were alive..)?

DB9
 
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diamond said:
How about Robert Maplethorpe?
Should this fella be permitted?

First off, he's dead.

Should Anna Nicole Smith be permitted to adopt a child? Since we all know she represents heterosexuality like Robert Mapplethorpe represents homosexuality...:|

Melon
 
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NEWS FLASH: Pedophiles are NOT gay, regardless of the gender of the children they abuse. Pedophiles cannot technically said to be gay or straight because they fixate on *children*, and they have never sexually matured to an adult level by which they could be classified as "gay" or "straight." Let's not bring the issue of pedophilia or child molestation into this debate, as it perpetuates the VERY UNTRUE stereotype that pedophiles are overwhelmingly gay (and, even worse, that gay people are overwhelmingly pedophiliac).

And what the hell does Mapplethorpe have to do with anything, anyway? Are you referring to his homoerotic photography?
 
melon said:



Should Anna Nicole Smith be permitted to adopt a child? Since we all know she represents heterosexuality like Robert Mapplethorpe represents homosexuality...:|

Melon

Umm..
I agree w this statement..altho I do see the full figured model being a bit bi-curious..

And nobody needs to get hostile in this discussion.

DB9
 
Dreadsox said:


Do you think before you type????????????


just cause you dont agree with what the person said, does not mean you should attack them in this manner.

in a discussion, different view points are presented, for your information. and believe it or not, you may not find yourself agreeing with what everyone has to say.
 
Heres a question that has to w the topic..regarding the best interest of kids as I think Lilly was after..

I ask these questions w the sincerest of intentions..
Please bear w me.

Ppl in the gay movement say or claim the population is 10 per cent gay.( Dont know if that is accurate but will accept for discussion's sake.)

It has also been reported that the vast majority of child abusers are hetrosexual.
Well mathamatically that makes sense, as the world is 90 per-cent..hetrosexual. Sickening but true.

So my question is -do the numbers hold out THAT less than 10 percent of convicted child molesters/child murderers are gay/bi-sexual?
or
Is it 15 percent
or
Is it my 5 per cent?

If it is 1 out of 4 peodophiles are gay/bi-sexual there would be a problem..

If it is 1 outta 15..or 1 outta 20..well then that would bode well for gay ppl..

This is not to bait anyone-(as I do not know the answer) but
only want to have a correct perspective.

Does anybody have correct/factual numbers?

Sincerely-
diamond

Peace.
 
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diamond said:
would we be ok w Pee Wee Herman adopting children...?:|

Diamond.........

Are you confusing sexual predators with gay people?



Peace
 
Zoomerang96 said:


just cause you dont agree with what the person said, does not mean you should attack them in this manner.

in a discussion, different view points are presented, for your information. and believe it or not, you may not find yourself agreeing with what everyone has to say.

I am soooooo sorry.


It was 100% appropriate to say that adopted parents cannot love a child as much as a biological parent. It is a very kind thing to say. I stand corrected. And it was said in such a polite manner.....taking onto consideration the feelings of others.

My humblest of apologies for typing out of anger. Having been adopted myself....my personal feelings got in the way.

I eagerly wait to see you correct people who have typed so many other hurtful, and even more hateful things than I.
If I sound cranky I am.....just got home from the hospital....been there for five hours.
 
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Diamond, leave pedophiles out of the discussion. The question wasn't "Should pedophiles be allowed to adopt children?" Your equating pedophiles and gay men is offensive even to me, and I cut you a lot of slack, maybe too much. So knock that shit off in this thread. Start another thread for it, because we're not discussing that here.
 
martha said:
Diamond, leave pedophiles out of the discussion. The question wasn't "Should pedophiles be allowed to adopt children?" Your equating pedophiles and gay men is offensive even to me, and I cut you a lot of slack, maybe too much. So knock that shit off in this thread. Start another thread for it, because we're not discussing that here.

When are you going to cut me some slack??????

LOL

:eeklaugh:
 
we are talking about-
children
thier safety
and
lifestyles.

thats all.

Pedopliles/child murderers come from all walks of life.

Was looking for proportional numbers..that is all.

diamond

Peace
 
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Zoomerang96 said:


just cause you dont agree with what the person said, does not mean you should attack them in this manner.

in a discussion, different view points are presented, for your information. and believe it or not, you may not find yourself agreeing with what everyone has to say.

Deathbear, Dread's comment wasn't uncalled-for, in this case. pr0digy had stated that adoptive parents weren't capable of loving adopted children as much as biological parents could. Dread has personal experience that refutes this. pr0digy's comments (for which he apologized) were unfounded and inappropriate. There's a big difference. Maybe you should have read the rest of Dread's post.
 
no duh..they are men .
now a break down of their sexual preference..is the next logical question.
Is it a 90/10 percent split? like the general population or not?
I dont have the answer, do you?

diamond
 
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Statistics 101.

Lesson 1: Conditional probability.

Why would anyone ask what percentage of pedophiliacs are gay/men/aliens from Mars/whatever? Since pedophiliacs are (I think) a tiny percentage of the population at large, any percentile differences you discover here are going to seem much more important than they really are.

The more meaningful statistic to look at is what percentage of gays are pedophiliacs, and that's probably not appreciably different from the percentage of heterosexuals who are pedophiliacs.
 
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diamond said:
no duh..they are men .
now a break down of their sexual preference..is the next logical question.
Is it a 90/10 percent split? like the general population or not?
I dont have the answer, do you?

diamond

Yes, actually, I do have the answer. I remember reading it when Samantha Runion was kidnapped by that hetero guy. It's 95% heterosexual and 5% homosexual as far as pedophiles go.

So. There you go. Straight guys are much more dangerous to children than guys who are not straight. Should straight guys be allowed to adopt kids? Hmmm...maybe not.
 
Martha-
As I stated, I did not have the statistical answer.

thank you for posting what u read.

Anyody that is a danger to children should not parent them, regardless of their oreintation..

hope i made my motive clear -which was the safety of a child first..
not the child's parent's sexual preference/lifestyle.

diamond
 
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melon said:


You know what? This upsets me. I, and many others like me, have spent our entire fucking life looking for approval and acceptance in Christianity...only to run into flat out insulting statements like these. And are you being insulting on purpose? From what it reads, not at all...and that's what upsets me the most.

"Twisting nature."

"Raising standards."

Yes, you don't need to say it a third time. You think homosexuals, either consciously or subconsciously, are unnatural freaks undeserving of even the most basic of human emotions. Honestly? At a theoretic level, I would love to deprive you of all love, take away any chances for you having children, nonchalantly call you a "defective sinner" who just didn't have "enough faith" your entire life, and see how you would have turned out in this world. If anything, Christianity is devoid of empathy, a lost art in human emotions...and I've often wondered why I've even given a fuck all these years about Christianity, considering how "un-Christian" it is in practice.

Melon

all i can say to this is that you mistook a few of my quotes there, I wasn't even referring to the gay act by saying "twisting nature" and "raising standards"... twisting nature as in what would be occuring should a same sex couple become parents. Can you deny this? Does reproduction allow this? No and that's all I meant...... not referring to "unnatural freaks" at all.

And when I spoke of raising standards I was referring to things such as abortion... these standards set by society, not standards within the "unnatural freak" as you have suggested I meant it. You drew the conclusion that I am a horrible individual that gains excitement out of sitting back and labelling homosexuals as evil scum on the face of this Earth, and THAT upsets me, because I went out of my way to make it clear that I do not hold this prejudice.

I refuse to allow this to upset me. Obviously there is no way I can accurately express my feelings over the internet because this description of me as a cold-hearted serpent could not be farther from the truth.

If it were still in my power I would close this thread immediately :yes:
 
However, as a warning to those who find it relevant to post anything more about pedophiles in this thread, let me assure you that such posts forthwith will be deleted. Not simply because they are offensive to a lot of people, but because it is as relevant to the issue as posting about rapists in a thread about proper family values.

The thread is about homosexual couples raising children, not pedophiles. As intriguing as the topic is, please create another thread should you want to pursue it.

Ant.
 
it nice to be loved;)

for the rec.-
my recent findings of data late last nite were different from Martha's
BUT
we wont go there.

Peace
Diamond
 
Achtung_Bebe said:
all i can say to this is that you mistook a few of my quotes there, I wasn't even referring to the gay act by saying "twisting nature" and "raising standards"... twisting nature as in what would be occuring should a same sex couple become parents. Can you deny this? Does reproduction allow this? No and that's all I meant...... not referring to "unnatural freaks" at all.

Let's talk about "nature" for a moment. In most animal "cultures," the male rapes the female and then goes off to rape other females. He is simply an impregnator. Also, depending on the animal species, abandoned "children" are either left to die from exposure (because these species won't adopt), are eaten by their mother beforehand, or, actually, are adopted by non-parents. I don't think we should start getting back to the basics, now do we?

And when I spoke of raising standards I was referring to things such as abortion... these standards set by society, not standards within the "unnatural freak" as you have suggested I meant it. You drew the conclusion that I am a horrible individual that gains excitement out of sitting back and labelling homosexuals as evil scum on the face of this Earth, and THAT upsets me, because I went out of my way to make it clear that I do not hold this prejudice.

I do not think of you as a horrible person in the slightest, and you should refuse to allow this to upset you. But you know what? You'll get to leave this thread and move on, and I'll just continue to be implicitly insulted by "well-meaning" individuals now and until I die--unless American culture substantially changes.

If it were still in my power I would close this thread immediately :yes:

If it were in my power, I would have deleted this thread even before there was one reply to it. I know how all of these threads go, and I hate them. :|

Melon
 
Melon, with all due respect, I think this thread has gone pretty well. The few rough spots were taken care of quickly, and the VAST MAJORITY of folks who have posted in this thread seem to support the idea of homosexual adoption, thus validating the fact that homosexuals can be just as good and loving of parents as heterosexuals. I fail to see how this thread has gone so horribly wrong. Even the dissenters have, by and large, been respectful.
 
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