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Old 11-14-2002, 11:19 AM   #41
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But one thing that gay couples don't automatically provide that needs to be considered, and this also goes for these celebrities that are adopting as single mothers like Rosie, Ally McBeal, etc. is a close role model of each sex for the child.

Every child regardless if they're a boy or girl needs a CONSISTENT male and female role in their life.

If not men can grow up to not respect females in their life, or women could grow up to not trust or hate the males in their life etc.

(Not to personally attack you BonoVoxSupastar, but I think there are inconsistencies in what you said above.)


As far as a close rold model of each sex... Straight parents may have majorly flawed expressions of their sex. For instance, there are marriages where the father is overly aggressive and the mother insecure- isn't that an imbalance being taught?

Consistent male & female role in their life... but what if it's consistently wrong? (An absuive - but straight!- father or an alcoholic -but straight!- mother. ) Since we can't monitor this for straight parents what makes us think we can monitor it for gay parents? (although I do wish we COULD monitor it for some parents! Ugh!)

I know many men who do not respect females, and they were raised by straight parents. Likewise I know many females who don't trust men, and they too were raised by straight parents. Obviously having the "proper gender influences" on them didn't raise them ideally.

Parenting is an incredibly serious job, I wish more people treated it as such. If a gay couple is willing to take a child into their home and love him or her then I wish them peace and total enjoyment from their child.

Perhaps they'd even be better parents than say, some who accidentally get pregnant, because they have time to talk and think about what it seriously means to have a child and raise a child.

And I agree with what Gina said.
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I don't care to go beyond what bonosloveslave has said on this topic.

Anyone wishing to condemn homosexuality on a moral basis (as a sin in God's eyes) must deal with all other forms of sinful behavior. We would never think to ban adoption by heterosexual couples where one or both adults engage in adulterous activity. God doesn't rank sin (possible exception for apostacy).
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A very close friend of mine was raised by his Lesbian mother and her girlfriend. He grew up in all all female house with four sisters.
One might argue that this constant exposure to estrogen may have 'confused' him about his own sexual identity. It may have made him unable to forge male bonds, or heck, it may have actually made him gay.

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Well, unfortunatly for those that would argue the above, he is completely, 100% normal and happy. He has good guy friends, good girlfriends. He is not confused about his sexual identity (as I believe sexual orientation isn't learned - it's born into you). He is able to forge friendships with both sexes.

Just because a child doesn't have a father doesn't mean that he will be unable to act like a 'man.' Similarly, just because a child doesn't have a mother does not mean that she will grow up 'butch.'

I do believe that children raised by same sex couples grow up with a better understanding of the world, and if anything, are more likely to be accepting of people and their differences.

This does not mean that ALL homosexuals will make good families. In the same way, it does not mean that ALL heterosexuals will make good families. It is a case by case basis, dependent solely upon the people involved. IT is poor logic to say that just because these people are 'gay', they will make better/worse parents than these 'straight' people. Everyone is different.


If ANY couple can provide a loving, stable environment for the children, I see no reason why not.
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So many eloquently stated ideas here, there isn't much for me to add...except to say that yes, I do think that gay couples should be able to adopt, and should be put through the same screening process as straight couples adopting. I also agree it's important to have strong role models from the opposite sex around too.

I would think with young children, it doesn't even occur to them to get confused about their sexuality. They don't even know what sexuality is (for the most part) anyway. I mean just for an example, there was this whole thing about how children would think Ernie and Bert were gay because they lived together (or that thing about the teletubby with the purse)....but when I was young, I simply thought here are Ernie and Bert and they live together. End of story. By the time kids are mature enough to think about that, they will have been exposed to enough hetero couples to see the other perspective anyway.

If anything, I would think children of gay couples would be more accepting and tolerant people in general, and that can only be a good thing.

I also can't believe people still think that being gay is a "choice of lifestyle". I don't think there is any choice in the matter, just as straight people can't choose their sexuality. Who on earth would CHOOSE to go through life facing all that intolerance??
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I see absolutely no difference between allowing a man and a woman to adopt a child and allowing two men or two women to adopt. Surely the only thing that matters is that the child will grow up in an environment where they'll be loved and cared for. And last time I checked, sexuality didn't determine whether someone had the capacity to love another person or not.

For the few people who've talked about being lesbian, gay or bisexual as a "choice", I just want to ask you - when did you make the choice to be heterosexual? Did you sit down one day and decide on your sexuality? Did you read a book and decide that it sounded like the best way to be? Or was it just that you instinctively liked people of the opposite sex? So it wasn't really a choice at all.

And if it's suggested that growing up without a male or female role model is detrimental to a child, then what about children growing up in single parent families? Is that "wrong" too?
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yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

oh and yes
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martha, please remain respectful of pr0digy's opinions in here, they are respecting opposing points of view, please extend the same curtesy back.






And I really want to congratulate everyone on this thread, I'm getting a lot of good points in here we didn't think of in class, and we are, for the most part, being respectful.
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I also can't believe people still think that being gay is a "choice of lifestyle".
While off the main topic, it was widely held by the gay community through the 60's and 70's that homosexuality was a lifestyle choice.
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But I honestly dont know if ALL homosexual couples should be able to adopt.
Well, my response here should be a given. Just as not ALL heterosexual couples are allowed to adopt for whatever reason, the same exact criteria should be given to prospective homosexual couples. Sexual orientation should be blind. And to assume that gays are all anti-God is ignoring the entire gay Christian movement, which is fairly prevalent. To ban gays from adopting simply because some people view it as going against their beliefs...well, then why can't I ban Protestants from marrying and adopting? In a conservative Catholic sense, Protestants could be seen as heretics themselves.

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it's called an opinion, look it up
but opinions don't make an argument. you have to have facts to back it up.

the one thing about homosexuality, is that no one's really sure how someone "gets it." are gays born that way or do they become gay? i myself am not sure which one it is. i suppose if someone were to put a gun to head and make me choose, i'd say it's something you're born with. those who may switch sexual orientations throughout their lives (david bowie, anyone?) were either confused or experimenting. even gays themselves have differing views as to how they became gay.

in my opinion, i think gay couples should be allowed to adopt. however, they need to make sure they understand that every child needs positive role models for each gender, so if it's two men raising a child, they'll need at least one positive female in the child's life, and vice versa. single parents have been doing it longer (raising children in a single-sex environment, and hopefully having a positive role model of the opposite sex) and they're still allowed to keep their children, or even in some cases adopt, so i don't see why two people of the same sex can't have this opportunity as well.
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martha, please remain respectful of pr0digy's opinions in here, they are respecting opposing points of view, please extend the same curtesy back.
I'm trying to. I am. Really.
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Well I'll probably get flamed for this, but

Hell no!
That's evil and wrong!

Children need a mother and a father, because both offer different things to a child!

They can be loved, raised well etc etc but it's still wrong, it wasn't Gods intention.

I find that extremely disgusting, and I feel sorry for the child!
Lilly,

To label people evil and extremely disgusting is not respectful.

Prodigy's second post was tolerable.
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While off the main topic, it was widely held by the gay community through the 60's and 70's that homosexuality was a lifestyle choice.
That may be true. But it's the 21st century. Anyone who thinks that sexuality is a 'choice' need only imagine trying to 'choose' being other than what they are. If you are straight, imagine 'choosing' to be gay. Imagine 'choosing' to be sexually attracted to the same sex.
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I like what The_Sweetest_Thing, Mrs. Edge, and FizzingWhizzbees said in particular. They're absolutely right.

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Kudos to all on both sides....

This is a good thread.......

I can only speak of my experiences as a teacher.
I would love for all of my students to go home to a safe and loving environment. The reality is that many of the kids I see on a daily basis are not going home to this situation. It is sad. It saddens me to see so many children, who, with a little love and guidence could have a future so bright.


The reality of the job of teaching is, that within two years of leaving my classroom, any positive influence I have made on the child, is gone in most cases. I wish I could find the study I read that in, or I would link it to you all here.

The home is where it has to come from. Being Gay/Straight/Lesbian has nothing to do with your ability to raise and parent a child. I would love to see some of these children in homes where LOVE and guidance are given on a daily basis. they would soar.

Pax wants to start a by having a nation where we have ethics we can be proud of. What is wrong with being proud that we want people who will love and nurture a child to be a parent?

I try not to bring work home with me.....but today was a particularly bad day for me at school. As concervative as some of you think I am......This topic is near and dear to my heart..........

In most cases.....it is easy to create a life.......That does not make you a parent, a father or a mother. There are plenty of people who would make excellent parents...that could provide a home for a child.


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Them homo-sexuals is filthy disgusting perverts, all tryin to take over the world! Any homo-sexual couple tryin to adopt a kid is tryin to corrupt his young mind! They's all goin ta hell!

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In reality homosexuality is not a learned behavior. There has never been any study establishing that as fact. Most studies, however, show that homosexuality is like left-handedness. It's not the norm, but it happens. It's not a bad thing.

Studies also have shown that children raised by homosexual parents tend to be more loved and more well-rounded than adopted by married couples.

Furthermore, heterosexual white males make up the vast majority of child molestors, not homosexuals, as some may have us believe.

It is my belief that it is better for a child to be raised by a gay couple than to be bounced around in a foster home or aborted. If you ask me, I think the world would be a much better place if homosexuality was the norm.
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If you ask me, I think the world would be a much better place if homosexuality was the norm.
There are some things I would miss.
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I wouldn't have everyone be gay. There'd be some heteros, but they'd be the minority.

IMHO, that's where God went wrong.
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There are some things I would miss.

Me too.....

This one time at band camp.... there was this girl named Ma.....


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