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Old 11-13-2002, 10:12 PM   #21
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Why do you say "no", diamond? Just curious.

I definitely support homosexual couples adopting children. I don't see any reason why they can't. Your being a good parent shouldn't be based on your sexual preference.

To BLS, you mentioned something about a strong male and female influence in a child's life-homosexual couples can find friends that will help aid that influence for the child-a lesbian couple can have a close guy friend there for the male influence, and vice versa, there's a solution to that problem.

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Old 11-13-2002, 10:23 PM   #22
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Well I'll probably get flamed for this, but

Hell no!
That's evil and wrong!

Children need a mother and a father, because both offer different things to a child!

They can be loved, raised well etc etc but it's still wrong, it wasn't Gods intention.

I find that extremely disgusting, and I feel sorry for the child!
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Well I'll probably get flamed for this, but

Hell no!
That's evil and wrong!

Children need a mother and a father, because both offer different things to a child!

They can be loved, raised well etc etc but it's still wrong, it wasn't Gods intention.

I find that extremely disgusting, and I feel sorry for the child!
This is why I hate these threads. I was waiting for the rabid heterosexist response.

I find you extremely disgusting. God told me so.

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This is why I hate these threads. I was waiting for the rabid heterosexist response.

I find you extremely disgusting. God told me so.

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Ditto (go, Melon!).

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Old 11-13-2002, 11:20 PM   #26
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I don't think this a flame. But I may be wrong.

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Well I'll probably get flamed for this, but

Hell no!
That's evil and wrong!

Children need a mother and a father, because both offer different things to a child!

They can be loved, raised well etc etc but it's still wrong, it wasn't Gods intention.

I find that extremely disgusting, and I feel sorry for the child!
You're right. Kids should get shuttled from foster home to foster home to group home, then put out to fend for themselves when they turn 18 and the state is no longer responsible for them. That is preferable to years of love, caring, and nuturing. And yes, prodigy, EVERY child in my class has a mother and a father. Sure! Since that's the way your God intended it, that's the way reality is!! Yep, and these perfect parents love and respect their children, too! Yeah, and they don't mistreat them or abuse them, either, because your God told them not to! Everything's perfect here.
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EVERY child in my class has a mother and a father.
Martha....where are you teaching? Every child in my class over 7 years has come from the perfect two parent home. The fathers are especially supportive, and attend conferences...

And I think to myself.....

What a wonderful world!!!!!!

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This is why I hate these threads. I was waiting for the rabid heterosexist response.

I find you extremely disgusting. God told me so.

Melon
Melon, I find you extremely disgusting. The Edge told me so.

But to answer the question--yes, I think it should be legal. It's better than having one parent (I should imagine that even the most conservative person's objections to gay parenthood should pale in comparison to his objections to absentee parenthood, which is legal) and a hell of a lot better than having zero parents (which the child to be adopted currently has).

Well, back to work. See you all next month/year/whenever.
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Old 11-14-2002, 12:41 AM   #30
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while I wish every child could have a wonderful, safe and happy family experience with a mother, a father and pet dog, the simple fact is there are millions of mother/father combinations that have no business raising children; there are also millions of kids out there who desperately need caring, loving, supportive homes/families -- homosexual couples have proven they are perfectly capable of filling this urgent need in a responsible and nurturing way

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just opinions and nice talking here please.

Remember how FYM doesn't need personal attacks in it? Let's stay with the issue, not call people names on behalf of ourselves or anyone else.
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My best friend was gay, and he would have made a great father if he wanted to have kids in the future, and if he was still alive. God, I miss him...

I would rather see a child happy, physically and emotionally healthy with 2 men or 2 women who are great parents, than for some poor kid who ends up with a so-called "mom and pop family" who end up screwing up the child's life.
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Guess I'll just repeat the majority opinion here. But I honestly dont know if ALL homosexual couples should be able to adopt. If they meet the requirements all couples must meet, good, and yes, let them adopt. Lets stop discriminating on gender and sexual preference. Lets also stop generalising that a heterosexual relationship is the best foundation for a happy healthy home environment. We all know it isn't always the case. Someone did raise a good point, apologies for forgetting who that was, that ideally children do require a role model of each gender. I dont think that should be grounds for denying a homosexual couple the right to raise a child of their own. Any potential parent who is aware and intelligent will realise this is rather necessary and hopefully will endevour to introduce such role models in their child's life. Like single parents who may seek to find a good substitute for the missing parent figure, be it in a brother, cousin, aunt, neighbour whatever.

The unfortunate truth for many homosexual couples is they face first of all the hurdle of mother nature and unless they can find a willing 'helper' they really dont have a lot of choice with opportunities to parent a child. I dont like that our society feels we can decide for another whether they can become parents. Parenting is a wonderful blessing and who are we really to deny that to someone as it may go against "our" ideals? What do we know about another couple, regardless of their gender and sexual preference, in regards to raising a family? Its a huge call to name someone as unfit....after all, in who's eyes?
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First of all, I have many gay friends... I am not unwilling to associate with homosexuals and do not dismiss homosexual adoption because I think it is "disgusting".

Having said that, I do not think that homosexual couples should be able to adopt. This issue is above all dealing with a child's welfare, yet I think it is primarily looked at as a gay right's issue. Children need both a mom and a dad in order to directly experience a number of important relationships which support social devlopment such as husband/wife and mother/father. Not to mention children of homosexual couples are likely to be confused about their own sexual identity. The child's parental figures would be in direct conflict with the predominantly heterosexual world around them, and everyone should agree that a person is greatly influenced by the structure within a person's home. This would create great confusion and instability at the very least.

The natural family is a beautiful thing, but for the sake of being "politically correct" homosexual coupling is seemingly being encouraged in some schools. It happened recently where students were asked to wear ribbons to support homosexual adoption. You probably wouldn't find homosexuals eager to support the heterosexual arrangement, yet this support is being shown vice/versa and you have to wonder why ... the final thing I will say on the matter is that this fear of being "politically incorrect" has, in my opinion, caused too much tolerance in regard to the family institution. I have my own religious reasons aside from these as well, but I realize that they are not received by everyone therefore I see no reason to share them as it is late and I am tired.
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Okay don't flame me, this is only my opinion, I'm not simple or closed minded.

I don't hate homosexuals, but I strongly disagree with their choice of lifestyle. I believe they make life very difficult for themselves, because society and the world can be very unforgiving and evil.

And to me, the idea of a homosexual couple raising a child will most probably influence the child and effect him/her in a way that he/she will grow to be a homosexual him/herself. I don't like this idea beause of the consequences and risks that homosexuals face throughout life (predjudice from society, aids, std's etc). And I don't stereotype homosexuals by believing that they all have promiscuous sex, there are just as many heterosexual people that are just as guilty of this too.

But in terms of having parents, I believe only a mother can offer true nurturing, care and love when a child is at a young age, and where a father can teach discipline and how to survive in the world. Like I'm not being sexist and talking specifically about private and public spheres where one gender cannot take on the role of another, I just believe that mothers are naturally better at their role and fathers are naturally better at theirs.

When you have two people of the same sex raising a young child, the child is missing out on one vital aspect of growing up from an infant into a teenager. Like I don't see a problem with a fully matured teenager living with a homosexual couple having come from a heterosexual background, but when the child is young and an infant I consider it WRONG and very IMMORAL for them to be raised in a homosexual environment because it most probably will have an effect on them where they will develop believing that homosexuality is normal and acceptable by everyone in society.

Yeah anyway I sound like a critical sociologist or something now, so yeah that was only my opinion, many of you will disagree with me. I don't prejudice or display hatred against homosexuals, I just disagree and don't approve their lifestyle. I think it's very sad.
Although I know Bono would greatly disagree with me.

*no offense to any homosexual people reading this*
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Okay, I don't agree with the last two posts, here's why:

If people who find out they're gay come from homes with heterosexual parents, obviously their parents' sexual preference had no influence on them, so what makes people think that that will happen with the opposite-what makes people think that just because a child grows up with homosexual parents that they are more likely to become gay (especially when there has been evidence that you are born with your sexual preference and that it isn't something you just become one day)?

I think a child can grow up in a homosexual household and still have a firm grasp on their sexual preferences, just as a child can grow up in a heterosexual household and have a firm grasp on their sexual preferences. It can happen.

And as for the last post, what's so wrong or immoral about a child learning from the time they are a baby that homosexuality is perfectly normal and acceptable?

I don't see why people disagree with homosexuals' lifestyle. I've always considered homosexuality to be completely normal and moral in my book.

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I don't hate homosexuals, but I strongly disagree with their choice of lifestyle. I believe they make life very difficult for themselves, because society and the world can be very unforgiving and evil.

And to me, the idea of a homosexual couple raising a child will most probably influence the child and effect him/her in a way that he/she will grow to be a homosexual him/herself.

the child is young and an infant I consider it WRONG and very IMMORAL for them to be raised in a homosexual environment because it most probably will have an effect on them where they will develop believing that homosexuality is normal and acceptable by everyone in society.

First paragraph: Society and the world making it difficult is people like YOU. So there goes that argument.

Second paragraph: Is there any credible research supporting your position? Or do you just wish that were true?

Third paragraph: Why is this a problem for you? Why is raising a child to be understanding and tolerant such a threat to you?
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If people who find out they're gay come from homes with heterosexual parents, obviously their parents' sexual preference had no influence on them, so what makes people think that that will happen with the opposite-what makes people think that just because a child grows up with homosexual parents that they are more likely to become gay......
I agree with this point and think it is a good one.
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I think a child can grow up in a homosexual household and still have a firm grasp on their sexual preferences
Isn't that is what cable is for anyway. kidding kidding


I am sure you can tell by now judging by my responses that my opinion is yes.
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First paragraph: Society and the world making it difficult is people like YOU. So there goes that argument.

Second paragraph: Is there any credible research supporting your position? Or do you just wish that were true?

Third paragraph: Why is this a problem for you? Why is raising a child to be understanding and tolerant such a threat to you?
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I don't have any studies to back up my statement here so I can only go on my own personal experience...being raised by a gay couple does not mean their kids will be gay.

I know 3 people who were raised by gay couples and all 3 are heterosexual, married and raising their own children. On the other hand, the majority of the 20 - 25 gay and lesbians friends and family members I know were raised by the traditional male/female parents.

I agree that a child needs a role model from both sexes and most of the gay couples I know who are raising kids make sure their kids have someone of the opposite sex to bond with.

I do agree that male/female is the ideal parenting situation but this is not an ideal world and there are too many kids sitting in foster care or being raised by people who shouldn't own a pet, let alone care for a child. If there are qualified people who just happen to be gay and want a child, why not give them a chance?
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