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Old 07-17-2002, 12:57 PM   #41
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Christ was born in April.
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Old 07-17-2002, 12:58 PM   #42
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As long as you celebrate the birth, death, and resurrection of the Son of God, it doesn't much matter what specific days you celebrate.

And, honestly, I think God doesn't mind if we pick the technically incorrect day of the week, if we remember that day's events every of the day of the year.
Wow, Bubba and I agree on something!
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And don't you think that Mary being a virgin is a bit of a streach?
It's not scientifically impossible. Unlikely, yes, but still possible.
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Even if what you suggest is true - against ALL the evidence above, I don't see how it changes anything substantial.
I realize it doesn't change anything substantial. Just another little glich in a detail that is commonly accepted which I found to be interesting.

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If I may ask, what do you believe is Christianity's true purpose? And how have we strayed?
As I stated in a post in another forum, I don't always have a way with words. Rereading what I wrote, I think this is a prime example. I guess what I meant to say is that over the centuries our religion has been twisted to be used by people for personal gain: money (catholic indulgences), land (the crusades), etc. Even today we have these ridiculous telemarketers posing as men of God as well as big fat beauracracies (sp?) controlling our churches. I suppose I just long for Christianity in its purest sense- a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ. No more, no less. Hopefully that makes more sense...

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True, but if John 20:29 is trustworthy - and I believe it is - it offers this for ALL of us who were not eyewitnesses to the Resurrection:

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. [/B]
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Amusing, isn't it?


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Thanks for your explanation about Christianity's true purpose, and I think we pretty much agree. I was just worried that you might say the true purpose had to do with exactly determining the chronology of the New Testament.


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Thanks for reminding me about Raven's question. Se7en distracted me.


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And don't you think that Mary being a virgin is a bit of a streach?
Certainly; that's why it's called a miracle.

There are many ways non-believers try to work their way around the miracles of the Bible, but I think we can reject - out of hand - the suggestion that the people of that time didn't know that sex leads to pregnancy.

It's kinda like the theory that the Romans were incompetant in determining whether or not a guy was dead. They may not have known about atoms and dinosaurs, but THAT level of ignorance is hard to believe.

It DOES seem that both the Jewish and Roman cultures were advanced enough to correctly correlate sex and pregnancy and to correctly distinguish between "the quick and the dead."


That said, is the Immaculate Conception impossible to accept?

For the Christian, absolutely not. The Incarnation (God becoming man) and the Resurrection (that man PERMANENTLY returning from the dead in a restored physical body) are much, MUCH more difficult to accept.

If you can accept those two miracles (and a Christian MUST), Jesus being born of a virgin can be readily accepted, too.
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Just to nitpick, the Immaculate Conception does not refer to Jesus's being conceived without sexual contact. It refers to Mary's being conceived without original sin.

That doesn't change the validity of the argument, of course, so I guess this post means nothing.
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Just to nitpick, the Immaculate Conception does not refer to Jesus's being conceived without sexual contact. It refers to Mary's being conceived without original sin.
Thank you! That's a pet peeve of mine.
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Sorry about that.
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