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Old 07-16-2002, 05:06 AM   #21
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I don't think this is a good idea.. Thankfully it won't be coming here to America.. It robs these kids of their childhood.. They don't need to be confronted by diseases and the horror that accompanies them as a young child.


But very often they are already confronted by this because they themselves, or a friend, a family member is affected by AIDS/HIV. Having the issue addressed and explained to them might take away some of the fear and misunderstanding around the issue. I see why you feel like children shouldn't be confronted by difficult issues, but for lots of children they're already confronted by them in their day to day lives, a tv show wouldn't be introducing them to an issue they'd never heard of.


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Anyways, I'm also giving a wayward glance to where this thing came from?.. I've got a feeling it's from some Gay Rights.. or Homosexual Conglomerate agenda to 'popularize' or 'normalize' this Disease into common society's views.

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Actually, Lemonite, the most common way for AIDS/HIV to be transmitted is through heterosexual sex. It's not an issue which affects only lesbian and gay people - it's an issue which affects millions of people regardless of their sexuality.
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Old 07-16-2002, 09:05 AM   #22
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but for lots of children they're already confronted by them in their day to day lives, a tv show wouldn't be introducing them to an issue they'd never heard of.
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I understand this point, and I've read this thread so no need to reply with the 'we don' tneed to broach sexuality' reply from earlier, but as Bama said earlier they probably just see this disease 'appear', and to not give the whole story.. even in sesame street style (With Grover Mounting Yoda) is an exploitation on their extreme youth.


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Actually, Lemonite, the most common way for AIDS/HIV to be transmitted is through heterosexual sex. It's not an issue which affects only lesbian and gay people - it's an issue which affects millions of people regardless of their sexuality. [/B]
*SigH*.. Again, you are succumbing to your idealistic notions of the world.. This above is irrelevant to my point.. I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised that these Homosexuals have some sort of agenda a mile long beyond just 'exposing children' to this Horrible and Terrible Disease.. and that agenda is in 'socializing' or 'normalizing' AIDS, and a puppet reaching millions of kids saying 'It's Cool To Have AIDS (Sarcasm)' will do just that. This is like saying that the militant environmentalists want to 'save the environment' when they really all they want is to Tear down Capitalism... It's all illusions... See them if you want.

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*SigH*.. Again, you are succumbing to your idealistic notions of the world.. This above is irrelevant to my point.. I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised that these Homosexuals have some sort of agenda a mile long beyond just 'exposing children' to this Horrible and Terrible Disease.. and that agenda is in 'socializing' or 'normalizing' AIDS, and a puppet reaching millions of kids saying 'It's Cool To Have AIDS (Sarcasm)' will do just that.
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But...why would gay people have some sort of horrible agenda here? To begin with I'm not aware that it has anything to do with gay rights campaigners, and also in what way would it benefit lesbian or gay people?
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But...why would gay people have some sort of horrible agenda here? To begin with I'm not aware that it has anything to do with gay rights campaigners, and also in what way would it benefit lesbian or gay people?
Hahahah... EVERYONE has an agenda.. Asking But Why? will leave you nowhere but behind. As I wrote above, 'I would not be surprised'.., It was an analysis of the situation.. some conclusions that were drawn. Critical Thinking. I never said that there was some queen out there stating such things with a rainbow flag as a cape.. But then again, this may be some sort of innocent 'Let's expose this to the kids, Rob them of their childhood, and Throw a horrible terrible disease into their faces when they're still crapping in their pants.' schtick by Sesame Street.. But like I said before.. And this is the key part.. "I wouldn't be surprised." And you shouldn't be either.

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Let's assume that this is part of "the gay agenda." I guess I don't see anything wrong with "socializing" and "normalizing" AIDS. In fact, it's probably a good thing. I'll go back to the example of "deaf Linda" from Sesame Street. As a little kid, when I finally did encounter a deaf person, I'm sure it was less of a big deal because Sesame Street had clued me in. I knew that a deaf person might make some sounds (that sounded strange to me as a little kid), but couldn't talk, and that that was totally normal. It helped "normalize" deafness for me, so it didn't freak me out. It didn't make me think "hey, it's cool to be deaf", it made me think "deaf people are normal people."

Why wouldn't we want to do that with AIDS in a country where kids are sure have interactions someone with AIDS? I fail to see the exploitation of youth here.
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Why wouldn't we want to do that with AIDS in a country where kids are sure have interactions someone with AIDS? I fail to see the exploitation of youth here.
AIDS is not deafness. By Making it Socially Acceptable, we're condoning the ways it is aquired. Anyways, We're going off the assumption made by Bama here that the kids just see AIDS 'appear' without any insight into how it comes about... SStreet will not delve into sexuality or how the disease comes about.. So, they're just BSing the kids.. By not giving them the full story.. they'll grow up and realize the reality.. Sesame Street is 'pretending' to expose these kids to AIDS.

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AIDS is not deafness. By Making it Socially Acceptable, we're condoning the ways it is aquired.
well....we disagree on this.
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"By condoning the ways it is acquired"...did you ever stop to think that a lot of these children acquired this disease through the process of their birth? In what way is that morally unexcusable or even reprehensible?
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I wonder if the show will have a muppet Bono come visit them
am I the only one who burst out laughing at this?

anyway, good points from fizzing, melon, bama, spiral...the usual suspects.

w/r/t muppet living with HIV for 20 years...well, I certainly knew someone who lived with it for 20 years and died from something completely unrelated, and I think it would be healthy to deal with that subject with kids--the whole subject, dying from AIDS and living with HIV. When I was a kid, I dealt with 'adult issues' like threats of nuclear attack (we had drills in first grade--this was the late 60's). I think HIV/AIDS is easier to explain to kids, and something they will more likely encounter, than why someone would crash a plane into tall buildings and kill innocent people.
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"By condoning the ways it is acquired"...did you ever stop to think that a lot of these children acquired this disease through the process of their birth? In what way is that morally unexcusable or even reprehensible?
not to mention blood transfusions...wouldn't want to condone that
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"By condoning the ways it is acquired"...did you ever stop to think that a lot of these children acquired this disease through the process of their birth? In what way is that morally unexcusable or even reprehensible?
Hahah... I forsaw the coming.. Im sort of a prophet you know.. Hahah.. Yes I did stop to think.. In fact, I took my hallowed 18 minute lunch break to go sit on the can and think about this exact thing... AIDS is preventable.. I referenced above earlier in this thread 'The Root Cause' of AIDS, not being 'born with it' and having it 'appear'..

This post is only in reference to 'Being Born With AIDS'.. Just to avoid confusion.

But as a side note... Blood Transfusions?.. That is not the major way HIV is transferred.. That's a patronizing 'Oh Well What About This' line of thought.. You statement was good enough, but your motivation gives it away, and doesn't really apply to what we are discussing.. But then you can't forget those blood transfers that come from a dirty needle laced with heroin, stale excrement, and infected blood residue.

I'd be interested in finding out just how many of these people know they have AIDS before they Have kids.. Sula.. I'd like to see just how Morally Responsible it is if the percentage is high of Parents who Have AIDS, then like dumb shits, go and have a kid? Again.. AIDS is preventable.

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My question is THIS..
Why does the sick child have to have AIDS?

Is a terminally ill child w-
Cancer
Cystic Fibrosis
Lukekemia..

less important?

Moreover..isnt more IMPORTANT to be COMPASSIONATE of any sick child w/any illness because THEY did not volunteer for the diesease ?:idea:

I do not think the TYPE of ILLNESS should of been disclosed..
After all compassion should know no boundries..
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I assume that in your moment of clairvoyance, you also remembered that a lot of these people are not aware that they carry the disease and are not educated about how it is spread.
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I assume that in your moment of clairvoyance, you also remembered that a lot of these people are not aware that they carry the disease and are not educated about how it is spread.
Ah I think you are hitting on something!! I've always been a big proponent as Education is the best Aid. Like I wrote, I'm interested in knowing just how many or how few know they actually carry AIDS.. Imagine the parallels.. If no one knows they have AIDS.. then is AIDS a problem?.. It's as if it doesn't exist.. Hahaha.. But Sula.. That's exactly my question.. I'll be looking for some Numbers and what not... I could begin to apply this quote of yours and the point it makes to Bono's Give Me Money Campaign, but I haven't the time to jump into a swirling Toilet Bowl while Flying directly into a Black Hole.

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But as a side note... Blood Transfusions?.. That is not the major way HIV is transferred.. That's a patronizing 'Oh Well What About This' line of thought.. You statement was good enough, but your motivation gives it away, and doesn't really apply to what we are discussing.. But then you can't forget those blood transfers that come from a dirty needle laced with heroin, stale excrement, and infected blood residue.


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yes, true--transmission of HIV via blood transfusions is all but non existent anymore, but since I know someone...well, it was relevant to me

that said, you are one cold blooded human and are now the second person to go on my ignore list . b'bye now.
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If no one knows they have AIDS.. then is AIDS a problem?.. It's as if it doesn't exist.. Hahaha.. But Sula.. That's exactly my question.. I'll be looking for some Numbers and what not... I could begin to apply this quote of yours and the point it makes to Bono's Give Me Money Campaign, but I haven't the time to jump into a swirling Toilet Bowl while Flying directly into a Black Hole.

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I think it's a bigger problem if people are unaware that they have AIDS/HIV. Firstly, they'll obviously not be getting any treatment, even in the rare instance that it might be available to them. Secondly, if someone isn't aware they have the illness they're not able to take precautions against it being transmitted to others. That said, I'm absolutely not condemning people for not taking a HIV/AIDS test where it's available - it would be terrifying to find out you had this illness but to be unable to receive any sort of treatment for it.

Lemonite, if you're looking for information about AIDS/HIV you might like to try UNAIDS (the UN program on AIDS/HIV) at www.unaids.org. It's a very educational and objective source of information.
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AIDS is not deafness. By Making it Socially Acceptable, we're condoning the ways it is aquired. Anyways, We're going off the assumption made by Bama here that the kids just see AIDS 'appear' without any insight into how it comes about... SStreet will not delve into sexuality or how the disease comes about.. So, they're just BSing the kids.. By not giving them the full story.. they'll grow up and realize the reality.. Sesame Street is 'pretending' to expose these kids to AIDS.
So is it then better for Sesame Street to completely ignore the issue instead?

And about your statement that AIDS will be made "socially acceptable"...well, that's awkward for 2 reasons.

1.) I don't see where AIDS is socially acceptable, since millions of dollars are being spent to eliminate it.

2.) I don't see that ANY disease or disability is socially acceptable, since billions of dollars are being spent to eradicate many other diseases and disabilities as well.

So you need to perhaps phrase yourself a little more clearly, for example, "People with AIDS will be made socially acceptable." And heaven knows that we wouldn't want something like that happening.

I can't believe that people who align themselves with Christianity are so eager to blame HIV+ people for their situation. People with cancer or lupus or glaucoma or (name your favorite debilitating disease here) don't seem to get blamed for their situations. Yet HIV+ positive people are painted as nymphomaniacal, anti-family "faggots," "junkies," etc. etc. etc. Some have suggested that AIDS is a punishment from God for homosexuality/drug use/etc.

One can make the argument that their behavior was in fact responsible for them contracting the disease. But again, there is a double standard. HIV+ people are the only ones who suffer from a societal stance that since they *might* be responsible, in whole or in part, for their positive status, then they deserve to suffer.

I find this to be a highly uncharitable viewpoint, and completely indefensible when it comes to children. I think Sesame Street has at least taken a step in the right direction by *wanting to make an attempt* to include HIV+ children in their universe.
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I can't wait for the plush version of this muppet. Do you think it will have the same popularity at Christmas time In South Africa that "Tickle Me Elmo" had here in the states a few years ago?
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So is it then better for Sesame Street to completely ignore the issue instead?
An amusing way to put it... Though 'Not Deal With' is just as applicable a synonym for 'Completely Ignore'.

I do not need to rephrase.

As a short answer... Yes.

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