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Old 08-14-2009, 09:01 PM   #401
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to sum up your posts in the past week

Do you ever tire of labeling and insulting those with differing political views as "idiots," "stupid" or "uneducated"?

Well, beats actual debate or having to put forth the effort to defend your views I suppose.
if you read my posts, you will notice that I have argued many points and I will be happy to stand up and defend my views any day. This is my own opinion that the town hall mobs, sarah palin, and republicans screaming about socialism are idiots. Now not all republicans are idiots at all- but in my view the crazy ones are. Actually, I don think the term idiot is appropritate here- I think it is more severley uneducated about facts from opposing viewpoints. I will let you know that I watch fox news more than any other channel, I read conservative books more than liberal books, and I talk politics with more conservatives than liberals. Why? because I personally want to make sure that i see all sides of the issues. Sure I read plenty of liberal books and everything but for me, having my friends or family tell me their view isnt enough- I have to research it to get all the facts and perspectives.

Now back to the "mobs", the Sarah Palin death panel people, and the birthers- it is no exaggeration to say that they are uneducated on facts from other sides or just choose to ignore oppossing arguments. This is my view. If you want to debate a specific policy with me, I would be more than happy to, so dont say that I am simply using labels to replace discussion.
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Having seen some of the TV footage, the sense I get is that these town hall protesters are not bad people. They're not particularly stupid either (though I wouldn't say they're geniuses either). They're just ordinary people who have really been misled.
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Having seen some of the TV footage, the sense I get is that these town hall protesters are not bad people. They're not particularly stupid either (though I wouldn't say they're geniuses either). They're just ordinary people who have really been misled.
I agree to a certain point... We already know some are plants. Some are I believe motivated by change of status quo, maybe not an outright racism that would be recognized by all, but a fear that a while male dominated society that they are comfortable with is slipping away. And then there are those like my uncle who would obviously benefit from Obama's healthcare for he's been dropped by everyone else, but has been poisoned by his wife who is an extremist that honestly believes Obama has an agenda to "steal the best healthcare in the world from us". The "best healthcare" system has ignored them for almost a decade.


*Both she and my Uncle have shit healthcare, both fairly young but have been given less than 5 years to live. Both lived hard lifestyles. My Uncle needs a new heart, and she needs a new everything. But she worships Glenn Beck, so will tow the line. She also thinks Obama is a Muslim that doesn't have a birth certificate.



Not outright hateful people, just really misguided. It honestly makes me sad.
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I agree to a certain point... We already know some are plants.
Well the ones I heard were far too inarticulate to be reasonable plants!

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Some are I believe motivated by change of status quo, maybe not an outright racism that would be recognized by all, but a fear that a while male dominated society that they are comfortable with is slipping away.
I think you're right on the money here. A lot of this just an inarticulate thing that things are changing and no one knows how to stop it. The gays are coming out of the closet. Christianity doesn't seem to get the ol tip of the hat it used to (You ever notice how in the old movies, the hero wasn't a real religious man, but he'd give a tip of the hat to the Good Lord--that's mainly what these folks want--the tip of the hat), and though most wouldn't or perhaps couldn't put it into words, but a guy with a name like Obama (and yes the skin color) in the White House is just part of it.

A good number of radio and television personalities have figured out that there is bucket loads of money to be made exploiting that fear.

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And then there are those like my uncle who would obviously benefit from Obama's healthcare for he's been dropped by everyone else, but has been poisoned by his wife who is an extremist that honestly believes Obama has an agenda to "steal the best healthcare in the world from us". The "best healthcare" system has ignored them for almost a decade.


*Both she and my Uncle have shit healthcare, both fairly young but have been given less than 5 years to live. Both lived hard lifestyles. My Uncle needs a new heart, and she needs a new everything. But she worships Glenn Beck, so will tow the line. She also thinks Obama is a Muslim that doesn't have a birth certificate.



Not outright hateful people, just really misguided. It honestly makes me sad.
I'm sorry to hear about your Aunt and Uncle. I hope they get what they need.
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Back to the health care debate... I was sent this today and thought it was brilliant.
Ed Stein was the cartoonist at the (dearly departed) Rocky Mountain News. He has his own website now, EdSteinInk.com, and his cartoons are as brilliant as ever. He always writes something brief to go with them, but today he dedicated his time and space to this column. It's spot-on.

The Speech I Want Obama To Give
By Ed Stein | August 12th, 2009
My fellow Americans, I’m speaking to you today from the Oval Office on a subject of great importance to all of us. The past few weeks have seen the debate over health care reform turn into an ugly, angry, divisive shouting match. Senators and Congressmen have been shouted down, insulted, even threatened at town hall meeting all across the country, meetings designed to help inform the people of this country about the complex issues confronting us. I am ashamed and embarrassed by the behavior of Americans who should know better. I call upon the American people to stop the shouting, to restrain your anger, and to engage instead in a respectful conversation. I ask my colleagues in the Republican Party, the television and radio commentators and others who have stoked the anger and encouraged the mob mentality that has taken over this debate to appeal for calm and for a restoration of a civil dialogue.
So much misinformation has been disseminated, so much fear has been spread, that it is difficult to even know where to begin. A final health care plan has not been submitted to me. The details of the plans working their way through Congress are still being negotiated. It is my hope that a bipartisan agreement can still be achieved for a comprehensive reform of America’s health care system. So let us not debate the details of a program which has yet to be made final.
The real debate is about what kind of country we want to live in. I ask all Americans, whatever your political leanings, whatever your profession, whatever your income, to ask yourself these fundamental questions. Do you want to live in a country where almost 50 million of your fellow Americans are without health insurance? Do you want to live in a country where 20,000 people a year die of preventable or curable illnesses because the don’t have access to adequate health care? Do you want to live in a country where 2 million people a year go bankrupt because of medical costs, where 1.5 million homes are foreclosed because people have run out of money paying for medical care, where if you lose your job you lose your health insurance, a country where you can be denied health insurance because you have a pre-existing medical condition? A country where a sudden illness can destroy your economic future, even if you have a job and health insurance?
If you find those conditions acceptable, then we need do nothing, because that’s the country you live in now. Alone in the industrialized world, America, the wealthiest nation on earth, is the only country which allows these things to happen. Our current system of health care is broken, fatally broken, and when I took the job as President, I made it my first priority to fix it. I do not, I cannot believe, that Americans want the status quo to continue.
Now ask yourselves another question. What do the shouting mobs who are drowning out the debate offer in place of what we are proposing? What do the angry opponents want, other than the status quo? Do they have a plan for solving the problems? They offer you nothing but opposition to fixing what is broken. Some for political reasons; they simply want to hand my administration a defeat. Some because they fear that any change will affect their corporate bottom line. Those who have accumulated fabulous wealth from a system that impoverishes millions want to keep the money flowing. Some oppose change because they are ideologically opposed to anything that government might propose. Some because they fear any change. No wonder they are shouting. They cannot offer you a genuine solution to our broken health care system, so they drown out the voices of hope and change instead.
My fellow Americans, we are better than this. We are a nation which has always found a way to solve our most vexing problems. Even when the issues were the most divisive, we have pulled together in the darkest of hours and forged solutions to the most difficult of issues. Today I call upon all Americans to lower our voices, to listen to each other, to speak calmly and respectfully, and to work together to build a health care system that will provide excellent, affordable medical care to every citizen of this great country.
Thank you, and may God bless America.
That would be an excellent speech.

Perhaps it's time Obama addresses the nation - or would that just fan the flames?
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Not outright hateful people, just really misguided. It honestly makes me sad.
Really, it is very sad all around. I hope your Aunt and Uncle end up in a better place when all this is said and done.

For all the right reasons to consider health care reform and a single-payer system, it can't be all that surprising that, despite grandstanding and fear-mongering, many people simply don't trust that the government can manage health care competently and effectively with their tax dollars.

As much as the current mess can be blamed on ignorance, racism, elitism, politics, ideology etc., it can also be blamed on a colossally poor track record of government spending and the lies and deception regarding such.

Despite that, I do hope the debate rises above the noise and real change is accomplished that might create a positive momentum overall.
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The way I see it, in 'broad strokes', general terms, the debate on healthcare in the U.S. is more or less the same as in other developed countries - i.e., people want world class healthcare but don't really want to have to pay for it. I think the left and right are more or less equally to blame, and lobbyists for special interests on both sides are adept at exploiting fear.
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Nobody wants to pay for stuff, but they'd probably pay less per head if the burden was spread around. It's not rocket science. It's not even that different from the basis upon which highways are built.

That said, I appreciate that the debate is incredibly muddied at this point. I think it was pointed out on some blog I skim occasionally that the imperfect but rather good systems we have in countries like Australia and Britain came out of a certain, possibly not to be repeated, period of history. That window closed, although may reopen in the future.
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Sarah Palin is rallying her Facebook community behind Glenn Beck.

In a post on Facebook Wednesday morning titled, "An Invitation," Palin urged her 800,000-plus Facebook fans to watch the Fox News host (via Politico):

FOX News' Glenn Beck is doing an extraordinary job this week walking America behind the scenes of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and outlining who is actually running the White House.

Monday night he asked us to invite one friend to watch; tonight I invite all my friends to watch.

-Sarah Palin

Beck is hardly having trouble in the ratings, and many of Palin's supporters fall squarely in the Beck target audience, but it will be interesting to see if he experiences a "Palin Bump."

Beck has come under fire for his remarks that President Obama is a racist, which has led dozens of advertisers to pull their sponsorship from his show.
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Great she goes from not reading and being uninformed to drinking the conspiracy/ fearmongering paranoia propaganda kool-aid.

A step backwards...
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This is what she's telling people to watch

Suddenly I feel all hot for teacher..

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Big Beck: Goes over 3 million viewers, beats O’Reilly in demo: Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Though a little scandal might alienate advertisers, it’s pure ratings gold. Last night Glenn Beck had over 3 million viewers at 5pm, second only to O’Reilly for the night. But, Beck had more 25-54 viewers than O’Reilly (888K to 876K). I don’t watch or really even care about the cable news wars, but still…wow. Even though Beck airs before primetime, when there are fewer people watching TV, he had the most 25-54 viewers in the cable news world for the night.

5PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Glenn Beck– 3,040,000 viewers (888,000) (1,385,000)
Situation Room—688,000 viewers (141,000) (271,000)
Hardball w/ Chris Matthews—536,000 viewers (139,000) (217,000)
Fast Money—215,000 viewers (55,000) (80,000)
Prime News–267,000 viewers (97,000) (109,000)
Not sure if it's Beck or just viewers needing something other than the other outlet's wall-to-wall praising of Ted Kennedy.
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There are a lot of racists and hate-mongers out there.
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Well there are quite a few, but I wouldn't say they all watch Glenn Beck.











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Not sure if it's Beck or just viewers needing something other than the other outlet's wall-to-wall praising of Ted Kennedy.
The unprecedented growing success of Fox News has driven Keith Olbermann insane, I am convinced:

The other night, during his "worst person in the world" segment, he highlighted O'Reilly, and proceeded to say "In O'Reilly's nightly round of self applause last night, designed to drown out the echo of daddy hitting him..."

And if that wasn't bad enough, Olbermann later went on to add that he has the highest-rated cable news show watched by people 35 and under, which
a) is a new made-up demo, I guess, and
b) is just not true.

Then he added that Countdown is the highest rated cable news show that isn't on Fox News, which is like saying "I'm the richest person in the world except for all those people who are richer than me." And he said since Fox News is only watched by racists, paranoids, and conspiracy theorists, they no longer act as "news," making Countdown the winner.

But I guess if it helps him sleep at night.
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What do ratings mean?

People watched it? Sure...

Did they laugh, cry, throw their shoes at the screen? Do they believe it or mock it? Who knows?

American Idol, high ratings, don't mean shit to me or Chuck D...


At the end of the day. O'Reilly and Olbermann = blowhards, O'Reilly's a lot more hypocritical, but they are still both blowhards that love to hear themselves speak... Shutup!!!

Glenn Beck = paranoid, I'll believe any right wing conspiracy thrown my way, cry baby that wraps his hate in a flag and calls it patriotism.
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(AP)HONG KONG — Former U.S. vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, criticized for her lack of foreign policy experience, emerged in Asia on Wednesday to share her views from "Main Street U.S.A." with a group of high-flying global investors.

In her first trip to the region, the former Alaska governor addressed an annual conference of investors in Hong Kong in what was billed as a wide-ranging talk about governance, economics and U.S. and Asian affairs.

Two US delegates left early, according to AFP, with one saying "it was awful, we couldn't stand it any longer." He declined to be identified.

"I'm going to call it like I see it and I will share with you candidly a view right from Main Street, Main Street U.S.A.," Palin told a room full of asset managers and other finance professionals, according to a video of part of the speech obtained by The Associated Press. "And how perhaps my view of Main Street ... how that affects you and your business."

Palin spoke out against government intervention in the economy. "We got into this mess because of government interference in the first place," Palin said, according to the Wall Street Journal. "We're not interested in government fixes, we're interested in freedom," she added.

She also praised the conservative economic policies of former U.S. President Ronald Reagan and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, according to another attendee who declined to be named because he didn't want to be seen as speaking on behalf of his company.

She claimed that if taxes were cut and the capital gains tax and estate tax eliminated, the world would "watch the U.S. economy roar back to life."

Palin argued that many average Americans are uncomfortable with health care reforms that infringe on private enterprise, Chris Palmer, an American fund manager for Gartmore Investment Ltd., told reporters.

She didn't refer to President Barack Obama by name, the Wall Street Journal reported, but said she called his campaign promises "nebulous, utopian sounding... Now 10 months later, though, a lot of Americans are asking: more government? Is that the change we want?"

Some attendees were disappointed by her focus on her home state and her attacks on President Obama.

"As fund managers we want to hear about the United States as a whole, not just about Alaska," one told AFP. "And she criticized Obama a lot but offered no solutions."

Palin also said she believes the U.S. has a role in helping China find its future and that the U.S. will always be on the side of promoting freedom, according to Palmer.

In an apparent reference to tensions between Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese that have led to riots, Palin mentioned China's ethnic problems, arguing they are "a sign that China lacks mechanisms to deal with regional issues," Palmer said.

The speech marked Palin's first major appearance since she resigned as governor in July, and the speech's location and international scope could help boost her credentials ahead of a possible bid for president in 2012. While she's thought to be considering that, her Hong Kong trip bore no political overtones, said Fred Malek, a friend and Palin adviser.

"You can read a lot of things into it, 'Is she trying to burnish her foreign policy credentials?' and the like. But really, it's a trip that will be beneficial to her knowledge base and will defray some legal and other bills that she has," Malek said.

Palin aides refused to disclose her fee for the appearance, which has been rumored to be in the low six figures.

Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, said Tuesday the group knew little about Palin's speech.

"We're curious as to what she's willing to say in private but not in public," Sevugan said. "Are there other countries that she can see from her window that she doesn't want us to know about?"
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What in the hell is she doing over there?

This woman has no humility, or she's completely delusional...

I would have loved to been a fly on the wall
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I think the key words are-low six figures.
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What in the hell is she doing over there?

This woman has no humility, or she's completely delusional...

I would have loved to been a fly on the wall
She only thinks and says nice things about ppl like you.


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