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Old 07-16-2009, 04:05 PM   #261
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She's a working mother with a successful carreer and also with conservative views. I can well understand how this combination does not find favour with the extreme left.

Although I think extreme liberals tend to in general hate married women with kids. They'd prefer it the kids had been aborted, or if the mother had divorced.

Palin has shown a mirror to the rotten heart of extreme liberalism, and they don't like what they see, so they react accordingly.
Guess what? I am one of the few dinosaurs who has stayed home and raised my kids. I think what she did to her teenage daughter by thrusting her into the spotlight is terrible. Where was her "family first" attitude with that move?

The only thing Sarah Palin has shown that is "extreme" is stupidity.
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Misogyny and elitism in the one post.

Well done, you.

Get back to me when you can address the point of why an alleged stupid dumb redneck can be elected to high political office and come within a hairsbreadth of being VP.



if you could point out the misogyny, that would be great. sounds HUGELY ironic to me coming from someone who doesn't think anything is homophobic.

however, to answer your question, this "stupid dumb redneck" as you put it came within a hairsbreadth of being VP because of the absolute and total bankruptcy of John McCain.

Alaska also has 650,000 people. that's about how many people live in Washington DC. this is a town that continually re-elected Marion Barry (though this might be too US-specific, i apologize).

i really don't have the time to go into the absolute lack of any evidence of any of Palin's thinking on any issues of national importance prior to August of 2008, nor do i have the time to rehash her demonstrated ignorance of said issues and total lack of expertise when it comes to governance, especially now that she's not even a one-term governor.

the record shows that she's a farce. i understand that you're trying to play the misogyny card in the way that you think i might play the homophobia card, but i'm happy to defend my position and it has nothing to do with gender, excepting the fact that the reason she was selected was precisely to jazz up the GOP ticket, woo disenchanted Hillary voters, and to show off her evidently "pro-life lifestyle."
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Although I think extreme liberals tend to in general hate married women with kids. They'd prefer it the kids had been aborted, or if the mother had divorced.


there, there, pet.
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Palin has shown a mirror to the rotten heart of extreme liberalism, and they don't like what they see, so they react accordingly.
That must be it.

All those other moderates who were turned off by her - what rotten thing about them does it expose? Enlighten us.
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Well we elected a stupid redneck twice, so that's not really a feather in cap. I think Gov Palin was in way over her head, but then again so was he.

It's laughable to even respond and I don't call myself an extreme liberal, but I think it's great that she has kids and is a working mother. She has a beautiful family. I just haven't seen anything from her as far as when she was the VP candidate that makes me think she's a good candidate. I am going by what comes out of her mouth-not her looks, her family, her career, her clothes, ..whatever.

Maybe John McCain misunderestimated women. Where's all the outrage about that?
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She's a working mother with a successful carreer and also with conservative views. I can well understand how this combination does not find favour with the extreme left.

Although I think extreme liberals tend to in general hate married women with kids. They'd prefer it the kids had been aborted, or if the mother had divorced.

Palin has shown a mirror to the rotten heart of extreme liberalism, and they don't like what they see, so they react accordingly.
You truly do live in a delusional world. Wow... Is this a requirement now? I mean seriously, there are intelligent conservative thinkers out there, right? Please?

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Misogyny and elitism in the one post.

Well done, you.
You missed his point by miles!!!
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Palin's not a real 'redneck' and no one in here has ever called her one until financeguy just did. For what that's worth.
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If you are the governor of the State of Alaska, are impersonated by Tina Fey, fail to become the Vice President, and then quit your job ..... you might be a redneck.

/half-assed and generally lame attempt at outdated pop culture reference
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/half-assed and generally lame attempt at outdated pop culture reference
Yes but it made me laugh...
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Sarah Palin makes a mockery out of extreme liberals and is a slap in the face to all macho men and self-declared alpha males who can't bear the thought of a woman in the white house.

Do what you gotta do, Mrs. Palin. Don't let jealousy, sexism and the bastards grind you down.
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Palin's not a real 'redneck' and no one in here has ever called her one until financeguy just did. For what that's worth.
I guess the use of the term "high falutin" led to the inference that he was calling her a redneck. I don't know.

GWB isn't really a redneck either but it's fun to call him one. I do think that he liked to perpetuate that image of himself for certain reasons.
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Sarah Palin makes a mockery out of extreme liberals and is a slap in the face to all macho men and self-declared alpha males who can't bear the thought of a woman in the white house.

Do what you gotta do, Mrs. Palin. Don't let jealousy, sexism and the bastards grind you down.

How does she make a mockery out of extreme liberals? Don't you mean she makes a mockery out of extreme conservatives?

I found very few of the "can't bear the thought of a woman in the white house" crowd with Palin, I saw a lot with Hillary, but very few with Palin.
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I guess the use of the term "high falutin" led to the inference that he was calling her a redneck. I don't know.
Well, highfalutin and redneck are mutually exclusive, so I guess I can see that. But if you take that idea too far, you get to the point where pretty much every presidential or vice-presidential candidate we've ever had warrants the label. Because you don't get elected to high political office in this country without going through a certain amount of the ritual show of, Look at me, I'm a hardworkin' family guy/gal just like you, just look at all the tough times I've known (but a good kinda tough, mind you, builds character), and unlike my out-of-touch, Big Idea-spouting opponent, I understand the simple needs and wants of real everyday Americans, blah blah blah blah.

It's true some go about this more melodramatically than others, though.
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Palin must just hit the perfect intersection of gender, class and right/left politics that people can't resist poking each other with.

She was plucked from obscurity by one desperate man in a failed attempt to even the voting ticket and no longer poses any threat of holding high office.

Get over it, people!
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Haha, that too. Though it could be an interesting enough discussion if it weren't for all the crossfire poking...then again, that response makes her what she is, so probably a pointless hope.

I do expect her to continue to be a significant player on our political scene though, I think you might be wrong there.
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What bothers me about Palin and her brand of conservative politics is not that I disagree with the ideas (though I do). It's that it's so anti-intellectual. It's cheap, it's underhanded, cynical. And it's dishonest.

I feel that she resigned from being governor so she could be free to cash in on the popularity she's gained in the last year.

The irony is, that especially on issues like the stimulus, the effectiveness of government in solving problems, etc, I'm actually pretty conservative. But the way these issues are argued by the right is just nauseating.
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I do expect her to continue to be a significant player on our political scene though, I think you might be wrong there.
Could be, particularly if the divide deepens between right and left, have and have nots etc. Like it or not, her down-home, working girl, pit-bull mom appeal speaks to a large, non-urban demographic.

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The irony is, that especially on issues like the stimulus, the effectiveness of government in solving problems, etc, I'm actually pretty conservative. But the way these issues are argued by the right is just nauseating.
Agreed. I would describe my views as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
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Like it or not, her down-home, working girl, pit-bull mom appeal speaks to a large, non-urban demographic.
Never been any doubt about that. Just like Obama's image strongly appeals to a different demographic. The question becomes, how much capacity do you grant the less...zealous (bitter?) among your fellow human beings to make their decisions as to whom and what they support, above and beyond the pull of an "image."




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^ For as long as there has been an 'image' aspect of politics, people vote primarily with their hearts not heads.

Paradoxically, the more slamming Palin receives, the more support she will get from those who feel marginalized by her detractors.
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The ones who truly feel marginalized, yes, I agree. (And I had better add, I mean within American society, not FYM. )
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