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Old 07-14-2009, 06:59 AM   #221
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If you're not getting the point, than you're not allowing yourself to make an obvious connection between Alinsky's rhetoric, the Gamaliel Foundation, and Barack Obama.
So you don't find any fault with what was actually said, you just find fault in the "connection"?

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That's interesting. You've told others not to compromise what they believe in the past.
Well I think compromise in the political realm and the personal realm are two different things. I completely understand that there are things this country may have to do that I don't agree with, there are rights that I will never use, and there may be sacrifices I make for the greater good of the country. What's right for me, doesn't always mean it's right for the country, and I think this is something many conservatives have a problem with...


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I really think Rush is talking about people like John McCain, who pride themselves on "reaching across the aisle," when they become the aisle. I've already gave you the example of Fred Thompson, who has reached across the aisle without becoming the aisle. That's why Rush has no gripes with FDT.
Well I think you and Rush will find out sooner than later that McCain was reaching closer to where the majority of America lies and that Fred was stubburnly living in the dark.
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So you don't find any fault with what was actually said, you just find fault in the "connection"?
It goes back to the literature he read, and the influences that shaped his worldview. At verbatim.

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Well I think compromise in the political realm and the personal realm are two different things. I completely understand that there are things this country may have to do that I don't agree with, there are rights that I will never use, and there may be sacrifices I make for the greater good of the country. What's right for me, doesn't always mean it's right for the country, and I think this is something many conservatives have a problem with...
That concept in itself sounds like something I would have said as well.

"Compromise" gave us the 3/5 Compromise. A hard-lined principled stance based on moral conviction gave us the 13th Amendment.

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Well I think you and Rush will find out sooner than later that McCain was reaching closer to where the majority of America lies and that Fred was stubburnly living in the dark.
McCain becoming the aisle also represents a long history of flip-flops and a lack of firm conviction. The majority of Americans oppose amnesty on illegal immigration. McCain, Kennedy, and Specter are the poster boys of it. The last few attempts to grant amnesty did not fail because of the men and women in Congress. They failed because they weren't given the consent of the governed. That was perhaps McCain's biggest problem.

As Barry Goldwater recalled in his own writings (read Pure Goldwater), McCain has no loyalty to the conservative movement, very little to his country, and a lot in his own self-interests.

Thompson is not "living in the dark." His politics are quite similar to Sarah Palin's. Palin continues to speak for those who are concerned about Obama's policies. Palin proved to be more popular than McCain in the presidential race.
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It goes back to the literature he read, and the influences that shaped his worldview. At verbatim.
He's also read the Bible, Oh My! We have a well read President, what are we going to do?

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That concept in itself sounds like something I would have said as well.

"Compromise" gave us the 3/5 Compromise. A hard-lined principled stance based on moral conviction gave us the 13th Amendment.
I never said compromise was always the answer, but without it how long would it have taken? I mean we were told we were all equal, but those were just words, it took lots of people who believed in that principle and lots of compromise from the opposition, who by the way were the social conservatives of the time to get where we are... and we still aren't living up to those words.


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McCain becoming the aisle also represents a long history of flip-flops and a lack of firm conviction. The majority of Americans oppose amnesty on illegal immigration. McCain, Kennedy, and Specter are the poster boys of it. The last few attempts to grant amnesty did not fail because of the men and women in Congress. They failed because they weren't given the consent of the governed. That was perhaps McCain's biggest problem.

As Barry Goldwater recalled in his own writings (read Pure Goldwater), McCain has no loyalty to the conservative movement, very little to his country, and a lot in his own self-interests.
I agree that he started to let go of a lot of his convictions, but immigration is another topic for another day...


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Thompson is not "living in the dark." His politics are quite similar to Sarah Palin's. Palin continues to speak for those who are concerned about Obama's policies. Palin proved to be more popular than McCain in the presidential race.
They are both living in the dark. Palin has an excuse she's from Alaska, they have loooong nights.
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just back from a cruise to alaska (inside passage). Best news was when we were in Juneau and saw the gov' mansion....then told that she quit

Of course sure she's going to run for prez, but she won't make it past the primary round. Unless she's using the next 3 1/2 years to study anything remotely close to world history and current events.

but then she does need all that time to read "all" news publications.
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Hot fuckin' redneck teenage boys who dig hockey, snowboarding, dirt bikes and hangin' with the boys, yafuckwithmeillkickyourass. And cappucino-swilling, Dijon-dipping media elites like Pat just hate that. He's not their kind of working-class white guy.



and cappuccino-swilling, Dijon-dipping, gay (and sometimes closeted) media elites often find hot fuckin' redneck teenage boys who dig hockey, snowboarding, dirt bikes and hangin' with the boys really fuckin' attractive.




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Rush has the luxury of being "extreme" because he doesn't really have to live up to any of his "beliefs". Rush is "extreme" because he want to divdide, his livlihood depends on it. He's even dividing the Republican party. He uses "compromise" as a bad word, which is great if all you are doing is talking, but in reality compromise is needed.
I wish the left would compromise on cap and trade. The economy could use a break. It would also be nice if they compromised on the budget and actually aim to balance it first before increasing entitlement spending. That way they would have to clearly raise taxes so the public would understand clearly that social programs aren't primarily from borrowing money on future generations but to pay for what you ask for. The right has compromised too much on economics with Bush's domestic policies. It's time for the left to compromise if they really believe in "change".

Can we have a compromise on world government?

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wow. in the WaPo no less.

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By Sarah Palin
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

There is no shortage of threats to our economy. America's unemployment rate recently hit its highest mark in more than 25 years and is expected to continue climbing. Worries are widespread that even when the economy finally rebounds, the recovery won't bring jobs. Our nation's debt is unsustainable, and the federal government's reach into the private sector is unprecedented.

Unfortunately, many in the national media would rather focus on the personality-driven political gossip of the day than on the gravity of these challenges. So, at risk of disappointing the chattering class, let me make clear what is foremost on my mind and where my focus will be:

I am deeply concerned about President Obama's cap-and-trade energy plan, and I believe it is an enormous threat to our economy. It would undermine our recovery over the short term and would inflict permanent damage.

American prosperity has always been driven by the steady supply of abundant, affordable energy. Particularly in Alaska, we understand the inherent link between energy and prosperity, energy and opportunity, and energy and security. Consequently, many of us in this huge, energy-rich state recognize that the president's cap-and-trade energy tax would adversely affect every aspect of the U.S. economy.

There is no denying that as the world becomes more industrialized, we need to reform our energy policy and become less dependent on foreign energy sources. But the answer doesn't lie in making energy scarcer and more expensive! Those who understand the issue know we can meet our energy needs and environmental challenges without destroying America's economy.

Job losses are so certain under this new cap-and-tax plan that it includes a provision accommodating newly unemployed workers from the resulting dried-up energy sector, to the tune of $4.2 billion over eight years. So much for creating jobs.

In addition to immediately increasing unemployment in the energy sector, even more American jobs will be threatened by the rising cost of doing business under the cap-and-tax plan. For example, the cost of farming will certainly increase, driving down farm incomes while driving up grocery prices. The costs of manufacturing, warehousing and transportation will also increase.

The ironic beauty in this plan? Soon, even the most ardent liberal will understand supply-side economics.

The Americans hit hardest will be those already struggling to make ends meet. As the president eloquently puts it, their electricity bills will "necessarily skyrocket." So much for not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

Even Warren Buffett, an ardent Obama supporter, admitted that under the cap-and-tax scheme, "poor people are going to pay a lot more for electricity."

We must move in a new direction. We are ripe for economic growth and energy independence if we responsibly tap the resources that God created right underfoot on American soil. Just as important, we have more desire and ability to protect the environment than any foreign nation from which we purchase energy today.

In Alaska, we are progressing on the largest private-sector energy project in history. Our 3,000-mile natural gas pipeline will transport hundreds of trillions of cubic feet of our clean natural gas to hungry markets across America. We can safely drill for U.S. oil offshore and in a tiny, 2,000-acre corner of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge if ever given the go-ahead by Washington bureaucrats.

Of course, Alaska is not the sole source of American energy. Many states have abundant coal, whose technology is continuously making it into a cleaner energy source. Westerners literally sit on mountains of oil and gas, and every state can consider the possibility of nuclear energy.

We have an important choice to make. Do we want to control our energy supply and its environmental impact? Or, do we want to outsource it to China, Russia and Saudi Arabia? Make no mistake: President Obama's plan will result in the latter.

For so many reasons, we can't afford to kill responsible domestic energy production or clobber every American consumer with higher prices.

Can America produce more of its own energy through strategic investments that protect the environment, revive our economy and secure our nation?

Yes, we can. Just not with Barack Obama's energy cap-and-tax plan.

The writer, a Republican, is governor of Alaska


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just back from a cruise to alaska (inside passage). Best news was when we were in Juneau and saw the gov' mansion....then told that she quit
Could you see Russia?

I would LOVE to go on a cruise to Alaska (it must have been gorgeous)-and some skeet shootin w/Sarah
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wow. in the WaPo no less.





a new Palin classic?

You think she had a ghost writer?
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Maybe Sarah Palin and Gov Sanford could collaborate on a hot and steamy romance novel that takes place in Alaska. Cap and tax can lead to all kinds of fun.
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nah. she's well known for being a quick study on the complexities of national policy, and her defense of allowing unregulated pollution and "God's energy" to destroy the planet reflects said abilities.
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Maybe Sarah Palin and Gov Sanford could collaborate on a hot and steamy romance novel that takes place in Alaska. Cap and tax can lead to all kinds of fun.


"cap and trade" sounds kind of all safe-sex-y.
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He's also read the Bible, Oh My! We have a well read President, what are we going to do?
Haha, well read. Certainly.

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I never said compromise was always the answer, but without it how long would it have taken? I mean we were told we were all equal, but those were just words, it took lots of people who believed in that principle and lots of compromise from the opposition, who by the way were the social conservatives of the time to get where we are... and we still aren't living up to those words.
I know the one-issue you're getting at, and I don't buy it.

You want certain people to pay a heavier rate in taxes than everyone else. Is that equal?

Nah.

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I agree that he started to let go of a lot of his convictions, but immigration is another topic for another day...
Okay.

I would also say that it didn't help that Rick Davis, his political consultant, was a lobbyist for Fannie and Freddie.

That, along with speculating that he would duck the first Presidential Debate to "save the economy overnight", showed a lack of judgement and leadership.

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They are both living in the dark. Palin has an excuse she's from Alaska, they have loooong nights.
Cute.

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I know the one-issue you're getting at, and I don't buy it.
Yes because there's only one. And yes we all know how informed you are on that subject.


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You want certain people to pay a heavier rate in taxes than everyone else. Is that equal?

Nah.
But making those that can't afford it pay the same or give cuts to the rich makes sense? Oh the world we live in...
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Ok, so I just figured out who this is... what a joke.

Fred was living in the dark thinking he was ever going to get anywhere in that race. He's notoriously lazy, and for an actor he lacks any kind of personality.
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But making those that can't afford it pay the same or give cuts to the rich makes sense?
If they want decent wages without bureaucratic constraints that deprive job openings, then yes.
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Ok, so I just figured out who this is... what a joke.

Fred was living in the dark thinking he was ever going to get anywhere in that race. He's notoriously lazy, and for an actor he lacks any kind of personality.
Check her out.

He doesn't live in the dark, but I'd say he has every excuse to do so. As long as he's not alone
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Fred was drafted, basically, because the GOP didn't offer much without him.
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If they want decent wages without bureaucratic constraints that deprive job openings, then yes.
Uh, yeah... Keep telling yourself there's a level playing field and that the poor don't stay poor and the rich don't keep getting richer.


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Fred was drafted, basically, because the GOP didn't offer much without him.
This reflects the sad state the GOP is in if Fred and Palin are the best they could come up with...
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