Same Sex Marriage Thread - Part III

[cobl04]

Do you think you're more moral than me always and in all ways?

Consider the effects France's decision will have on INDY's life, Irvine.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Given the occasion let me suggest to the socialist French Minster of Justice a more apropos Nietzsche quote regarding "la vérité."

“Nothing is true, all is permitted”


The world spins in moral nihilism. Yea!!

How's your bunker coming along?

 

[cobl04]

This is incredibly hard to watch, but worth it. I almost want to make a thread for it. Some of you may have seen it, it's been out for a while.

What if homosexuality was the norm? And heterophobia was real?

Love is All You Need? full length movie.mp4 - YouTube

I'm pretty damn depressed after watching it. But I truly feel that we're turning a corner. Even the vast majority of people who are against same-sex marriage wouldn't be even the remotest bit as horrible as the bullies, parents and teachers in this video.

 

[deep]

is this an event?

or non-event?

NBA's Jason Collins comes out as gay - CNN.com

 

[Irvine511]

If its a non-event it's an event.

If its an event then it's an event.

 

[deep]

i think you are right

A non-event is an anticipated or highly publicized event that either does not occur or turns out to be anticlimactic.

 

[Pearl]

I thought the NHL was going to announce an openly gay athlete.

No matter, this is great. It shows a gay man doesn't have to be effeminate and can be as tough as the other guys are. Hence why the gay stereotypes are worthless.

 

[deep]

I can not speak to anyone's motivations

but strategically, this seems to be advantageous for him.

it would be nice, if there is a bonus for being (openly) gay

Jason Collins: average N.B.A. player, extraordinary potential acquisition | Capital New York

 

[MrsSpringsteen]

I highly doubt that he did this in order to try to secure another NBA team. If you read the SI article he just seems literally exhausted from not being able to be fully himself publicly, and in the NBA. He also mentioned the marathon bombings, how they reminded him how life can end in an instant. So why not live truthfully.

He seems very intelligent and capable, if he doesn't get on another team he could easily do anything else in life. He's already played for 12 seasons. I think it's great for him, and it's about time that pro sports catch up.

He says

I realized I needed to go public when Joe Kennedy, my old roommate at Stanford and now a Massachusetts congressman, told me he had just marched in Boston's 2012 Gay Pride Parade. I'm seldom jealous of others, but hearing what Joe had done filled me with envy. I was proud of him for participating but angry that as a closeted gay man I couldn't even cheer my straight friend on as a spectator. If I'd been questioned, I would have concocted half truths. What a shame to have to lie at a celebration of pride. I want to do the right thing and not hide anymore. I want to march for tolerance, acceptance and understanding. I want to take a stand and say, "Me, too."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jason-collins-gay-nba-player/#ixzz2RtYBHkvG

 

[Pearl]

http://s170.photobucket.com/user/Mairead27/media/TheBiblePredictedIt_zps2abae0d5.png.html

 

[INDY500]

Consider the effects France's decision will have on INDY's life, Irvine.

Do you think you're more moral than me always and in all ways?

Personalize, personalize, personalize.

 

[Irvine511]

Personalize, personalize, personalize.

Rationalize, rationalize, rationalize.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Personalize, personalize, personalize.

I guess if I had shitty morals I'd want to distance myself personally from them as well.

Interesting that you want to inject yourself into other people's personal lives, but then cry foul when you're called out on it. They call that having your body of Christ and eating it too

 

[Jive Turkey]

also this

Chris Broussard, ESPN Reporter, Calls Being Gay An 'Open Rebellion To God' (VIDEO)

 

[Diemen]

I guess if I had shitty morals

Speaking of getting personal. C'mon, Jive.

 

[BEAL]

I really hope he's able to find a new team. Not sure how much of a distraction it is going to cause, as right now it'll seem more like a side show with the media attention.

Maybe with him coming out, it can give other athletes that are gay the courage to do so, and make this a non event (as some were calling it).

 

[Jive Turkey]

Speaking of getting personal. C'mon, Jive.

But it's invariably a personal issue, Diemen. If we had someone on here with some backward beliefs that black people shouldn't be allowed to marry white people, that person would be strongly called out on it. He holds a disgusting view point and any ridicule is well deserved. I suppose I could speak softer. It's just so haaaaard

 

[anitram]

Of course it's personal. You're talking about people's lives. And INDY in particular constantly comes in and passes judgment on other people's lives and how close to the his version of the "ideal" they are. Yet he expects everyone else to discuss it at a theoretical level. Very disingenuous.

 

[PhilsFan]

I really hope he's able to find a new team. Not sure how much of a distraction it is going to cause, as right now it'll seem more like a side show with the media attention.

Maybe with him coming out, it can give other athletes that are gay the courage to do so, and make this a non event (as some were calling it).

He is an inefficient offensive player but still brings something on the defensive end for an end of the bench guy.

 

[PhilsFan]

The fact that it's still, for some reason, an issue in politics shouldn't be a reason to legitimize anyone's view.

 

[Irvine511]

i hesitate to put a SS adoption story here, because SSM and SSA are two different things -- yet, the last tumbleweeds of anti-SSM "arguments" have something to do with the "good" of the children and the implication that children would be better off in the foster care system than with two same-sex parents who love her.

Paul Ryan Regrets Voting Against Same-Sex Adoption
By Rebecca Leber and Zack Ford on Apr 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm

WISCONSIN — Former GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan told a Wisconsin town hall audience on Monday that he now supports the right of same-sex couples to adopt children, even though he still opposes marriage equality.

Confronted by an audience member about his anti-LGBT voting record — Ryan earned a “zero percent” score on gay rights from the Human Rights Campaign — the House Budget Committee chairman admitted that gays and lesbians could provide a loving home to “orphans.” In 1999, Ryan voted against adoption for same-sex couples in the District of Columbia, but said he would vote differently today:

RYAN: Adoption, I’d vote differently these days. That was I think a vote I took in my first term, 1999 or 2000. I do believe that if there are children who are orphans who do not have a loving person or couple I think if a person wants to love and raise a child they ought to be able to do that. Period. I would vote that way. I do believe marriage is between a man and a woman, we just respectfully disagree on that issue.

Ryan’s opposition to marriage equality actually makes less sense given his support for same-sex adoption. One of the primary arguments against same-sex marriage is the false claim that children are better off with opposite-sex parents. Now it seems he supports allowing same-sex families to raise children, but he still opposes providing those families with the same legal protections afforded to opposite-sex parents.

During the town hall, Ryan also highlighted his support for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), a bill that would prohibit employers from discriminating against workers based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. The measure has been introduced in Congress almost every session since 1994, through Ryan initially lobbied to weaken ENDA so it did not include gender identity, and ultimately voted for the weakened version in 2007. Ryan did not say if he would support the more inclusive bill in this Congress.

Throughout the presidential campaign, Mitt Romney argued that adoption “should be assessed on a state-by-state basis.”

Paul Ryan Regrets Voting Against Same-Sex Adoption | ThinkProgress

 

[deep]

"We are making history," Gov. Lincoln Chafee said right before he signed a bill that legalizes same-sex marriage in Rhode Island. "We are living up to the ideal of our founders."

Rhode Island Becomes 10th State To Allow Same-Sex Marriage

 

[Irvine511]

and that's all of new england.

it's a great place to be from.

 

[Irvine511]

these are people just living their faith, right?

Thierry Speitel, mayor of the town of Sigolsheim in the Haut-Rhin area of eastern France lodged a complaint with police after he was sent bullets through the post this week.

Speitel, who is gay himself, said he was “shocked” by the incident and described the act as “odious”.

The threat comes after Speitel gave a recent interview to the local newspaper Derniers Nouvelles d’Alsace in which he talked about the probability he would marry his partner and the prospect of them adopting children.

He also slammed the homophobic incidents that have taken place in France over recent months, that have been blamed on the poisonous atmosphere created by some of the more extreme opponents of gay marriage.

Along with the bullets, Speitel, a practicing Catholic, was sent a copy of his newspaper interview, which contained scrawled handwritten homophobic insults.

He is not the only elected official to have received threats in recent month.

On April 22nd, on the eve of the decisive vote on the gay marriage bill in the National Assembly, Claude Bartolone, the Socialist president of France’s lower house received a threatening letter containing gunpowder.

It came after Socialist deputies Sylviane Bulteau and Hugues Fourage were sent letters from anti-gay marriage extremists, threatening to kidnap and kill them or their loved ones, if the gay marriage bill is not withdrawn.

The divisive gay marriage debate has dominated the headlines in France over recent months, as the anti "Manif Pour Tous" movement, along with the Catholic Church and France’s opposition UMP party have mobilized hundreds of thousands to rally against the law.

But an opinion poll published on Friday suggests the French public are finally ready to move on.

The survey, carried out by polling agency IFOP, revealed 67 percent of French people believe the anti-gay marriage protests should stop.

However the furore is unlikely to die down just yet with another nationwide protest planned for May 26th.

Gay French mayor sent bullets after interview - The Local

 

[BEAL]

This probably could even be used in our "religion of peace" thread going.

Goes back to religious people cherry picking the parts of their faith to follow. While for the most part Christians live peacefully side by side in society, why is it they get a pass for making these type of statements and threats against a group of people?

When confronted on this, they fall behind "it's against my faith/religion", but they openly admit they don't follow the other laws of the bible. Jesus said NOTHING against SSM, nor homosexuals. And it's a joke for Christians to deny the OT laws when confronted with rules that they're not comfortable with, but when it's a subject they oppose, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Also not sure how religious people can claim turning the other cheek and love thy neighbor by threatening and shooting at these people.

 

[BVS]

I didn't want to start a new thread, so I'll put it in here:

Rick Perry compares rejecting LGBT people to fighting slavery | The Raw Story

Rick Perry thinks that not allowing those flavor of the month gays into the Boy Scouts is just like fighting slavery

 

[elevated_u2_fan]

Yeah, all that fighting slavery he did at Camp Niggerhead.

 

[BoMac]

You can now add Delaware to the growing list of states entering the 21st century.

 

[Irvine511]

delaware spins forward.

minnesota is next.

 

[PennyLanePHINS]

51 million americans now live in SSM legal states. I think we'll get to half the population in the next 2 or 3 years.