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Old 05-18-2013, 08:48 AM   #101
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LISBON : Portugal’s parliament on Friday handed same-sex couples the right to adopt the children or foster children of one partner, a partial victory for equality campaigners that fell short of their call for full adoption rights.
The co-adoption law scraped through with a majority of just five votes in the 230-seat Lisbon assembly, prompting long applause from the gallery. Nine deputies abstained and as many as 28 did not show up for the vote.
Activists hailed the biggest step forward for gay rights since Portugal became the eighth country to allow nationwide same-sex marriages in 2010, breaking with the Catholic nation’s predominantly conservative image.
“It was a super-important, fundamental approval as it concerns the human rights of the children and not just the couples,” said Paulo Corte-Real, head the country’s gay, lesbian and transgender rights association, ILGA.
He said the law would benefit children raised by same-sex couples by giving the children additional protection if their original parent died or became seriously ill.
Catholic Church leaders have opposed moves by some European countries to allow same-sex unions and adoption by gay couples, saying heterosexual marriage has an indispensable role in society.
France, which is mainly Catholic, last month followed 13 countries including Canada, Denmark, Sweden and most recently Uruguay and New Zealand in allowing gay and lesbian couples to tie the knot.
The French law also authorised adoption.
The Portuguese bill, presented on the International Day Against Homophobia, still needs to be signed into law by conservative President Anibal Cavaco Silva, who enacted the same-sex marriage bill in 2010 but expressed his disapproval.
Another bill introduced by two left-wing parties that would have extended full adoption rights to gay couples failed to pass on Friday.
The ILGA took the Portuguese state to court after the European Court for Human Rights ruled in February that Austria’s adoption laws discriminated against gay people on the issue of co-adoption.
“That case will continue until the law comes fully into force,” said Corte-Real.
“And we will keep fighting for wider adoptions. Both of today’s votes show progress, even the rejection. Support for wider adoptions has grown since last year.”--REUTERS
The law is still imperfect. We have gay marriage. A single gay man/woman can adopt a child. Now, parenting is recognized to the partner of a gay man/woman who has a child biological or adopted.
...But a gay couple still is forbidden to adopt. Maybe it'll be the next step.

The law was expected to be rejected by the 60% of deputees of the right-wing parties who are in the Government now. But, surprisingly, 16 deputees of the biggest right-wing party voted for this law. I have to admit that, knowing those two parties and their historic against gay people, I'm surprised that those 16 voted for it...
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It's definitely a great start! May not be perfect equality yet, but it's getting there.
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Well I see Kevin Rudd, former Prime Minister of Australia, has come out in favour of marriage equality. Would've been nice if he'd done that four years ago...
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Everyone has been critical of the timing but honestly, for me, I don't really care. He supports it now, and that rocks.

But thankfully, the Australian Christian Lobby released a statement in the nick of time, to ensure we all understand the grave repercussions of his change of heart - MR: Rudd’s change on marriage sets up a new stolen generation | Australian Christian Lobby
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Geez, they'll never find some new arguments will they?

Why oh why does marriage equal having kids to these people? Exactly how many people are married, and how many of them have kids? If they're so big on family values, and in their words
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“What Kevin Rudd has failed to consider is that marriage is a compound right to form a family. Marriage is not just an affectionate relationship between two people regardless of gender.

“Marriage has always been about providing stability and biological identity for children wherever possible.
Why shouldn't they start attacking those married couples that do not want to have children then? Or those that can't have them due to illnesses/infertility?





I'd say marriage is exactly what they say it's not. An affectionate relationship between two people regardless of gender. Sure, they can have the relationship without marriage, but marriage is a way to make things easier by law. There's so many benefits for married couples, and with sharing of stuff and money it gets easier if you have that stupid piece of paper. And I do not want kids tyvm.

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Mr Shelton said Mr Rudd had also ignored the fact that this inevitably means parents will have their children taught the mechanics of homosexual sex in school sex education classes, something that would surely follow the redefinition of marriage.
ERMAGHERD. It's not like they're being taught the exact mechanics of straight sex, now are they? So yea, all you gotta teach them children is that it's okay to be who you are, rather than that your feelings are dirty and sinful and you should never ever become who you are, rather just hide and be straight like anyone else in the bible....


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“Wherever same sex marriage or equivalents have been legislated Christians have been pursued by activists. Christian businesses have been closed down, public servants and even pastors hauled into court and fined for exercising their conscience,” Mr Shelton said.
Wherever? I don't quite recall that happening in my country...
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All that says to me is that they think it's preferable for kids to grow up in highly dysfunctional and abusive families, as long as they are the biological parents, and one of each gender.

Do people really think kids first learn about sex in sex ed classes anyway? Not to get into an argument on morals (really beginning to hate that word) desensitizing our country and making us used to more graphic sexual content in our eery day lives, or saying that five year olds should be shown porn or anything crazy like that, but if they don't teach that stuff til 8th grade like my middle school did, there's no way it's nothing they don't already know about it by the time they get to those classes. And it's not like it's difficult to figure the rest out if they're only taught about heterosexual intercourse. Or are we just pretending gay people don't exist as well? Oh, son, that kid who was teasing you at shook who called you a fudgepacker was actually just saying you're fat because you eat too much fudge...yeah, that's what he meant.
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All that says to me is that they think it's preferable for kids to grow up in highly dysfunctional and abusive families, as long as they are the biological parents, and one of each gender.

Do people really think kids first learn about sex in sex ed classes anyway? Not to get into an argument on morals (really beginning to hate that word) desensitizing our country and making us used to more graphic sexual content in our eery day lives, or saying that five year olds should be shown porn or anything crazy like that, but if they don't teach that stuff til 8th grade like my middle school did, there's no way it's nothing they don't already know about it by the time they get to those classes. And it's not like it's difficult to figure the rest out if they're only taught about heterosexual intercourse. Or are we just pretending gay people don't exist as well? Oh, son, that kid who was teasing you at shook who called you a fudgepacker was actually just saying you're fat because you eat too much fudge...yeah, that's what he meant.
It is hilarious that some parents are doing everything they can to shelter their kids. Granted, I understand some of it. Who wants to tell a 5 year old what oral sex is? But then again, it is best to tell them because we are in a more sex saturated world, thanks to the Internet. You have kids checking out porn at age 8. It's sad but its true.

But as the kids get older, it is foolish and silly to fight hard to shelter them. I know this one woman who tries to monitor what her teens read, lest they read an explicit sex scene. Sigh. I was reading scenes like that in high school and even junior high. Heck, When I was 12, I was watching explicit R rated movies late at night when my parents thought I was watching cartoons. I learned a lot about sex that way, and no, I did not run out and had sex with 100 guys. The idea of informing your kid or having kids know what sex really is would automatically lead to promiscuity is ridiculous. Teach them self-respect and responsibility and then they'll be OK.
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What are the odds Australia legalizes it this year?
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Britain's House of Commons votes to legalize gay marriage in England, Wales — RT News
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African American Pastors Coalition telling gays, 'back of the bus'.

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Far-right French historian, 78-year-old Dominique Venner, commits suicide in Notre Dame in protest against gay marriage - Europe - World - The Independent
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wow, i feel kind of bad now

what's the rush, maybe we better rethink this.
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What are the odds Australia legalizes it this year?
Absolutely zero. A more conservative govt than the one we have now will take over in September. It'll be at least three, more likely 6+ years sadly. Unless conservatives have a change of heart, or come to their senses a la David Cameron.
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His last words were "hohn hohn hohn" as he twisted his pencil moustache and fended off would-be rescuers with a fresh baguette
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I like that he fears the invasion of Sharia Law and gay marriage, as if they are at all compatible.
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I like that he fears the invasion of Sharia Law and gay marriage, as if they are at all compatible.

I can think of people in the US who fear both.
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Absolutely zero. A more conservative govt than the one we have now will take over in September. It'll be at least three, more likely 6+ years sadly. Unless conservatives have a change of heart, or come to their senses a la David Cameron.
This. We're completely fucked in September.

That said, it is possible - maybe even probable - that an Australian state will legalise gay marriage this year. That will lead to a very interesting case in the courts. Whether or not a state can legalise gay marriage has not been tested, and constitutional law experts have conflicting opinions. I fear it would be struck down, but we'll see...
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