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Old 05-09-2013, 07:19 PM   #81
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Aren't England/Wales supposed to be voting on it soon? Or do they keep pushing it back?
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Aren't England/Wales supposed to be voting on it soon? Or do they keep pushing it back?
The third reading in the House of Commons is due later this month (the 20th or 21st I think), and then it will go to the House of Lords.
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I'd respect Indy more if he just came in and said it was wrong because the bible says it's wrong and that's all there is to it. No definitions. No concern for society. No tradition.
Instead he pretends it's something we can have a debate with him on.
Yet the bible is a book written by man. And it has been proven to be wrong on many accounts, so I really do not understand how that is an argument.
Even tradition is bullshit, wasn't slavery once a 'glorious' tradition way back? or paedophilia in ancient Greece/Rome?

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I also have more respect for the simplistic "it's icky/gross" view because if nothing else, it's painfully honest.
Yea, honesty is something I guess. But I'm not forcing them to watch me make out, as far as I'm aware. I wasn't quite planning to do that in pulic ever, so yea, they can be glad I guess.

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His reasoning, as I see it, is that same-sex marriage only further separates us from the ideal of parents with set gender roles. Which makes no sense since being a parent isn't a pre-requisite for marriage.
Soooo, when is he going to be advocating to ban divorce again?
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Yet the bible is a book written by man. And it has been proven to be wrong on many accounts, so I really do not understand how that is an argument.
Even tradition is bullshit, wasn't slavery once a 'glorious' tradition way back? or paedophilia in ancient Greece/Rome?
My last sentence is key to my point. I'd be the last person here to defend religion or tradition as reasonable bases for arguments. But if he'd at least admit that's where his position is coming from, we wouldn't waste any time thinking there was a rational debate to be had
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My last sentence is key to my point. I'd be the last person here to defend religion or tradition as reasonable bases for arguments. But if he'd at least admit that's where his position is coming from, we wouldn't waste any time thinking there was a rational debate to be had
(I don't really like talking about posters in the third person, but I think his posts are representative a larger group) INDY's very first reason in FYM was "status quo", over the years he's tried to rationalize and make it look like logic, but they just want their status quo. When they grew up marriage was between man and woman, it was ok to call a homosexual a fag, and America was good. Since America was good back then, then normal marriage was one of the reasons it was good, you take that away and it's a domino effect. America is bad now, and the status quo they knew is changing. Change can lead to evolution and evolution is evil.
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It's just too much to wrap your heads around isn't it?
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It's just too much to wrap your heads around isn't it?
What is? That you believe stuff in a clearly made up 2000 year old book and base your life off that? yes it is
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evolution is evil.
I thought they believed evolution doesn't exist. How can it both not exist and be evil?
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It's just too much to wrap your heads around isn't it?
What is? Please enlighten me.


And for the record, solving a Rubiks cube is rather easy. You simply have to know the algorithm.
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it's official in Minnesota. it passed the senate 37-30.

and, meanwhile, in Russia:

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Vladislav Tornovoi, 23, was attacked by two men in the city of Volgograd, who mutilated his genitals and raped him with a beer bottle.

In an murder which has sparked outrage across Russia and overseas, the young man's face was smashed with a rock and was then set on fire.

Tornovoi was allegedly killed shortly after coming out as gay to friends during a boozy Victoria Day celebration.

Two men aged 22 and 27-years-old - who were reportedly Tornovoi's friends, are under arrest on suspicion of killing him.

The first image of Tornovoi comes as gay rights activists condemned the Kremlin by claiming the government is an accomplice in his death for stigmatizing sexual minorities.

Laws which ban "homosexual propaganda" are set to come in to force soon under support from the Duma - the Russian parliament.

Campaigner Nikolai Alexeyev told the Moscow Times: "Political figures have provoked anti-gay sentiment by portraying the gay community as a bunch of freaks," Alexeyev said. "They are accomplices in the killing."

Prominent activist Nikolai Bayev also claimed President Vladimir Putin was an "accomplice" in the killing.

Writing on the GayRussia website, Bayev said: ""President Putin, crush the head of Vladislav Tornovoi! Strip him until he's naked. Break his ribs, beat his face and shove a bottle up his anus. Kill him, he's just a gay."

In the wake of Tornovoi's shocking death, an upcoming gay pride march in the capital city Moscow on May, could be dedicated to the young man by organisers.

First Image of Russia Gay Hate Murder Victim Vladislav Tornovoi - IBTimes UK
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the almighty works in mysterious ways

who are we to question?
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It's legal in Minnesota now (the land of the Wicked Witch of the North, Michele Bachmann!), passed the upper house. Just has to be signed and governor already said he will sign it. That's 12, and 3 in one week.
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Michelle Bachmann must be ripping her hair out now.

As for Russia, its interesting to see such rampant homophobia in a country who's most famous musical act was the faux lesbian duo TATU. Not that lesbian chic has anything to do with gay rights, but there's an irony for anyone to get off on two women getting it on but yet deny them the right to love each other - and that's for everyone not just Russians.
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what straight guy would want to look at that
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It's legal in Minnesota now (the land of the Wicked Witch of the North, Michele Bachmann!), passed the upper house. Just has to be signed and governor already said he will sign it. That's 12, and 3 in one week.

I'm happy for Marcus Bachman.
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Michelle Bachmann must be ripping her hair out now.

As for Russia, its interesting to see such rampant homophobia in a country who's most famous musical act was the faux lesbian duo TATU. Not that lesbian chic has anything to do with gay rights, but there's an irony for anyone to get off on two women getting it on but yet deny them the right to love each other - and that's for everyone not just Russians.

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Tchaikovsky.
Ah yes - but who else in recent memory?
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i've always wanted to go to Brazil:

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A Brazilian judicial panel on Tuesday ruled registrars in the South American country cannot deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The newspaper O Globo reported members of the National Council of Justice that oversees Brazil’s judicial system ruled 14-1 in support of nuptials for gays and lesbians.

Agence France-Presse said the body “affirmed that the expression of homosexuality and homosexual affection cannot serve as a basis for discriminatory treatment, which has no support in the Constitution.” The news agency said Joaquim Barbosa, the chief justice of the Brazilian Supreme Federal Court who heads the National Council of Justice, referred to a 2011 ruling that said gays and lesbians can enter into civil unions.

Same-sex couples can legally tie the knot in Brasilia, the country’s capital, and 11 other states that include Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. The panel’s ruling, however, appears to extend marriage rights to same-sex couples across the country.

Gays and lesbians can legally tie the knot in neighboring Argentina and 11 other countries, Mexico City and nine U.S. states and D.C.

Uruguay’s same-sex marriage law will take effect on Aug. 1. Lawmakers in New Zealand and France have also passed same-sex marriage bills in recent weeks.

The Colombian Senate last month rejected a bill that would have allowed nuptials for gays and lesbians in the South American country. Gays and lesbians in Colombia can legally register their relationships on June 20 if lawmakers fail to act upon the Constitutional Court’s 2011 ruling that ordered them to pass legislation within two years that extends the same benefits heterosexuals receive through marriage.

Chilean President Sebastián Piñera in 2011 proposed a bill that would extend civil unions to same-sex couples in the country.

He has yet to formally introduce it.

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What sick human being would do such a thing to their 'friend'. I mean, you'd guess some 'friends' never speak to another again when they come out, guess that is understandable when one doesn't agree with it(note, I don't state it's acceptable, just understandable for those narrowminded enough that they can't respect the one they love and who they are). Yet to murder someone and violate the body? Disgusting.


for Brazil and Minnesota though.
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