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Old 05-07-2013, 08:06 PM   #61
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Add CA in June. That's 40m people.
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51 million americans now live in SSM legal states. I think we'll get to half the population in the next 2 or 3 years.
When you take into account the pestilence that will soon be among you, you might already be at half
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Add CA in June. That's 40m people.
This would be nice.

Especially if it happens after my school gets out, so I don't have to listen to half the staff bitching and moaning about it.
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When you take into account the pestilence that will soon be among you, you might already be at half
You are not kidding:

Invasion of the 17-year cicada: Predators, even people, will feast - latimes.com
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This was crazy bonkers whennit happened in 2004. I can't believe it's happening again.
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This would be nice.

Especially if it happens after my school gets out, so I don't have to listen to half the staff bitching and moaning about it.

I'm sure lots of people bitch and moan about those people's marriages too.
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Minnesota is voting on it tomorrow. Seems likely it'll pass, though there's probably a chance it may not (or could get pushed back as we know they sometimes do).
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Of course it's personal. You're talking about people's lives. And INDY in particular constantly comes in and passes judgment on other people's lives and how close to the his version of the "ideal" they are. Yet he expects everyone else to discuss it at a theoretical level. Very disingenuous.
I'd love to have a real discussion with him some day to explain how he can marry who he loves, yet I can't... :/ I'm honestly interested in the reasons why.
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I love how more and more people are becoming aware of the importance of marriage equality. Now they're more than just aware.

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I'd love to have a real discussion with him some day to explain how he can marry who he loves, yet I can't... :/ I'm honestly interested in the reasons why.
I'd respect Indy more if he just came in and said it was wrong because the bible says it's wrong and that's all there is to it. No definitions. No concern for society. No tradition.
Instead he pretends it's something we can have a debate with him on.
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I also have more respect for the simplistic "it's icky/gross" view because if nothing else, it's painfully honest.
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yep, even that is better
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His reasoning, as I see it, is that same-sex marriage only further separates us from the ideal of parents with set gender roles. Which makes no sense since being a parent isn't a pre-requisite for marriage.
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It comes down to gender essentialism. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus.

Homophobia is really sexism. By being "against" SSM you're really trying to reinforce gender roles, it's actually little to do with gay people.
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Which makes no sense since being a parent isn't a pre-requisite for marriage.
Maybe not for marriage, but for "ideal marriage" it's probably a requirement.
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It comes down to gender essentialism. Men are from Mars and women are from Venus.

Homophobia is really sexism. By being "against" SSM you're really trying to reinforce gender roles, it's actually little to do with gay people.
Yep. I've known some guys who weren't religious at all but were homophobic. That was because they held macho beliefs about being a man.
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And those believes about "bein a man" likely involve implied ... not quite superiority, more like subservience (especially sexually) to/over women.
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And now Minnesota.

http://news.yahoo.com/minn-house-app...200825261.html

Before California. Amazing. Next week it will become state #12.
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Where's Indy? Has he gone "micro" again?
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And now Minnesota.

Minn. House approves gay marriage; would be 12th

Before California. Amazing. Next week it will become state #12.
some will say the people of that state voted on what rights gay people should have

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On November 6, 2012, a proposed constitutional ban on same-sex unions, passed by the legislature in 2011, was rejected by 52.6% of voters.

Minnesota became the second state to reject such a ban through popular referendum.
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