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Old 03-21-2013, 03:33 PM   #881
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Oh, sorry that's a mistranslation then. Ehm, here orthodox is the word we use for extremist religion. I thought it was a word we stole from English, apparently not.
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Rove sees potential support for gay marriage : Stltoday

if William Kennedy does not vote with the sane side, he is an idiot
I really hope Thomas and Scalia don't cave
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The consensus prediction seems to be that Prop 8 and DOMA are gone, and the states will decide the rest.

A glance through all but the most socially conservative websites and a listen to the talk shows this weekend reveals that the GOP thought infrastructure is prepping their base to embrace SSM. They know its a losing issue for them, now and for the future.
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it could go that way

then in a few years, we will have boycotted states, like what happened with MLK Jr. day.
Nevada and FL would flip in a hurry
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Poll: Ohio reverses on gay marriage - Breanna Edwards - POLITICO.com
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These polls are interesting, a snap poll won't change laws in these 30 plus states that have banned gay marriage. The people that show up and vote in these 30 red states elect GOP Governors and state legislators.

I do think the Portman flip did influence many Ohioans.
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most people are talking about Kennedy, Roberts is (the) one to watch

Chief justice's lesbian cousin will attend Prop. 8 hearing - latimes.com
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Chief justice's lesbian cousin will attend Prop. 8 hearing - latimes.com

Absolutely.
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A bit surprised by this... or maybe not. France loves them a riot

Clashes, riot police, at French anti-gay marriage protest - World News
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Interesting in that gay and straight, religious and secular, conservative and leftist, can all join together against same-sex marriage in Paris because France has rejected the ad hominem attack of "homophobe" as a way of silencing and intimidating all opposition to the legal and moral recognition of same-sex marriage.

"Un père et une mère, c'est élémentaire" is a simple, secular, non-partisan argument against gay marriage but you'll hear it from only "far-right extremists" and "haters" in North America.
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What argument have you made other than "It's a slippery slope"?
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What argument have you made other than "It's a slippery slope"?

First one rhymes, second one doesn't. I think we can see which is the superior argument.
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"Un père et une mère, c'est élémentaire" is a simple, secular, non-partisan argument against gay marriage but you'll hear it from only "far-right extremists" and "haters" in North America.
Why aren't the same arguments being used against single parents then? Where are the protests against single parents?

And though I've asked many people many times no one yet has been able to answer why children need a mother and father and anything else is an abomination.
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Also, I can't read any other languages (which is probably the most 'MERICAN fact about me), so I didn't understand half of that post. Though I'm sure it was meant to be condescending.
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Polls indicate a shrinking majority of French voters back gay marriage, which is legal in about a dozen mostly European nations and some U.S. states. But polls show French voters are less enthusiastic about adoption by same-sex couples.


I wonder why. Usually the opposite happens, and I get the impression that France isn't exactly a conservative country (correct me if I'm wrong).


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and secular, conservative and leftist, can all join together against same-sex marriage in Paris because France has rejected the ad hominem attack of "homophobe" as a way of silencing and intimidating all opposition to the legal and moral recognition of same-sex marriage.

"Un père et une mère, c'est élémentaire" is a simple, secular, non-partisan argument against gay marriage but you'll hear it from only "far-right extremists" and "haters" in North America.
I'm sure I read the same article as you did. Where did it say that everyone is against SSM?
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Interesting in that gay and straight, religious and secular, conservative and leftist, can all join together against same-sex marriage in Paris because France has rejected the ad hominem attack of "homophobe" as a way of silencing and intimidating all opposition to the legal and moral recognition of same-sex marriage.

"Un père et une mère, c'est élémentaire" is a simple, secular, non-partisan argument against gay marriage but you'll hear it from only "far-right extremists" and "haters" in North America.
"Hundreds of thousands of people — conservative activists, children, retirees, priests"

Shut the fuck up with your pseudo-victim act. You're embarrassing yourself. You're the aggressor in this issue. Did you even read the article? Or are you blinded by your hatred?

And how is that slogan any different than the shit you guys spout? Or is it the fancy foreign language you're impressed by?
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Interesting in that gay and straight, religious and secular, conservative and leftist, can all join together against same-sex marriage in Paris because France has rejected the ad hominem attack of "homophobe" as a way of silencing and intimidating all opposition to the legal and moral recognition of same-sex marriage.

"Un père et une mère, c'est élémentaire" is a simple, secular, non-partisan argument against gay marriage but you'll hear it from only "far-right extremists" and "haters" in North America.


We're talking about SSM. Not SS adoption or parenting.

If you'd like to argue against loving couples adopting children and bringing them into homes where they will be loved and cherished because if the lack of penis-in-vagina intercourse, please go ahead and do so, but since marriage does not require children it seems rather misplaced.

I will say that I am as well tied of homophobe. Lets just call them assholes and be honest about it.
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I wonder why. Usually the opposite happens, and I get the impression that France isn't exactly a conservative country (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm sure I read the same article as you did. Where did it say that everyone is against SSM?


While Europeans tend to be economically more liberal than North Americans, they can be culturally (not religiously) quite conservative. Especially when it comes to gender.

Also, what has really helped SSM in the US is that it's been argued and debates about since 2003. Every time we make an argument, we win more hearts and minds. Every time someone comes out, more hearts and minds are won. The arguments and logic is on our side.
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Indy praising the French! I never thought I'd see the day.
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While Europeans tend to be economically more liberal than North Americans, they can be culturally (not religiously) quite conservative. Especially when it comes to gender.

Also, what has really helped SSM in the US is that it's been argued and debates about since 2003. Every time we make an argument, we win more hearts and minds. Every time someone comes out, more hearts and minds are won. The arguments and logic is on our side.
Thanks Irvine.
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