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Old 12-12-2012, 01:55 PM   #801
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think of the advantage writing the descents will have over writing the majority opinion



descents into SIN, maybe.
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ok, dissents

I blmae that on cell phone posting
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i was making a funny.
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i guess I''m a little sensitive

i'm semi-literate (razed by wolves)
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bigoted ass hat.
Love this phrase. It made me chuckle.

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I'd rather be razed by a bulldozer, myself. Quicker.
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Newt Gingrich Supports “Reality” Of State-Sanctioned Marriage Equality

Posted Dec 20, 2012 12:17pm EST

WASHINGTON — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said he can accept the "reality" of marriage between same-sex couples as a "legal document issued by the state" — as strong a sign as any that the landscape for marriage equality has changed dramatically in the past year.

"The momentum is clearly now in the direction in finding some way to ... accommodate and deal with reality. And the reality is going to be that in a number of American states -- and it will be more after 2014 -- gay relationships will be legal, period," Gingrich told The Huffington Post in a story published on Thursday.

Gingrich "continued to profess a belief that marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman," Sam Stein and Jon Ward report, but "suggested that the party (and he himself) could accept a distinction between a 'marriage in a church from a legal document issued by the state' -- the latter being acceptable."

Of the change, though, Gingrich said, "I think that this will be much more difficult than immigration for conservatism to come to grips with."

The move from the former House speaker comes a month after voters in Washington, Maryland and Maine voted in favor of marriage equality ballot measures and after voters elected a record number of out LGBT politicians to Congress, including the first out LGBT senator in Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin.

Regarding the time when Gingrich served as House speaker and the Defense of Marriage Act, now before the Supreme Court, was put up for debate, he said, "I didn't think that was inevitable 10 or 15 years ago, when we passed the Defense of Marriage Act. It didn't seem at the time to be anything like as big a wave of change as we are now seeing."

Several others involved in the 1996 law's passage — including Rep. Bob Barr, who sponsored the legislation, and President Clinton, who signed it into law — have since said that they now oppose DOMA and support marriage equality.

In the interview, Gingrich acknowledged his half-sister, Candace Gingrich-Jones, who works at the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest LGBT political group. Stein and Ward report that Gingrich said he has gay friends who've gotten married in Iowa.

HRC's president, Chad Griffin called the move remarkable.

"Newt Gingrich has proven that leaders in the Republican party understand where the country is moving on marriage but he is also brave enough to say it out loud," Griffin told BuzzFeed. "It’s remarkable that Gingrich admits he didn’t see the coming power of the LGBT community and our allies back in 1996 but now understands the wave of change that’s sweeping over the nation."

As the Supreme Court considers whether DOMA's federal definition limiting "marriage" to one man and one woman is constitutional, Griffin noted of Gingrich's changed view, "His comments give room for other Republican leaders to reflect on the direction in which the country is heading and get on the right side of history."

Robert Raben, a lobbyist who was Democratic counsel for the House subcommittee that considered DOMA in 1996, had only one word in response to Gingrich's comments: "Wow."

A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the defense of DOMA before the Supreme Court, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Newt Gingrich Supports "Reality" Of State-Sanctioned Marriage Equality
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"Wow" is right.

This has to be a sign of the end times.
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Stop what you're doing and read and watch this:

Embracing our gay children: a life and death matter
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Canada's a few hours away from having its first openly gay provincial premier. Looks like Kathleen Wynne will be the new premier of Ontario.
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Gay marriage opponents are using the plot of “Knocked Up” in their defense of California’s Proposition 8 and the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

Seriously.

In his brief for the defense on why the law should only recognize marriages between opposite-sex couples, Paul D. Clement, a solicitor general under George W. Bush, wrote that traditional marriage laws “reflect a unique social difficulty with opposite-sex couples that is not present with same-sex couples — namely, the undeniable and distinct tendency of opposite-sex relationships to produce unplanned and unintended pregnancies … Unintended children produced by opposite-sex relationships and raised out-of-wedlock would pose a burden on society.”

In summation: Gays require “substantial advance planning” to have kids and don’t suffer the same “threat of irresponsible procreation” as prophylactically challenged straights. Ipso facto, they don’t need equal access to a legal contract that carries close to 1,049 statutory provisions, including tax breaks, disability benefits and joint parenting rights.

This isn’t the first time the state’s “interest in the family tradition“ has been used to argue against gay marriage, just the most recent. (And maybe the only to identify the “threat” of irresponsible procreation.)

And while the high court prepares to hear the case, it remains unclear when exactly Clement will seek the annulment of 1.5 million infertile marriages in the United States. You know, the other people who don’t accidentally get pregnant.

Because undoing all those “unnecessary” marriages is going to take a lot of paperwork. He should probably get started.
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In his brief for the defense on why the law should only recognize marriages between opposite-sex couples, Paul D. Clement, a solicitor general under George W. Bush, wrote that traditional marriage laws “reflect a unique social difficulty with opposite-sex couples that is not present with same-sex couples — namely, the undeniable and distinct tendency of opposite-sex relationships to produce unplanned and unintended pregnancies … Unintended children produced by opposite-sex relationships and raised out-of-wedlock would pose a burden on society.”
This problem has nothing to do with same-sex marriage. I do think straight people need to be more responsible with who they sleep with so they don't have children when they are not ready or with someone unreliable.

Also, some gay or lesbians have out-of-wedlock pregnancies before they fully realize they prefer someone of their own gender. It's not like they are totally immune to such problems.

But leave this out of the same-sex marriage argument.
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Paul D. Clement just lowered the average IQ of humanity
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Keep on reaching for batshit crazy arguments as always, anti-gay marriage people.
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The U.K. is now on the right side of history, as the British parliament passed a bill a few moments ago legalizing same-sex marriage.
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"I don't support same-sex marriage in spite of being a conservative, I support same-sex marriage because I am a conservative." - David Cameron.

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Meanwhile, in Australia, you can still be legally fired/not hired if you're gay.
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No shit. My brain hurts.
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We're going to have to call you Bruce, to avoid confusion.
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By Michael K. Lavers on February 5, 2013

An Illinois Senate committee on Tuesday approved a bill that would allow same-sex couples to marry in the state.

The 9-5 vote in the Illinois Senate Executive Committee came nearly a month after state Sen. Heather Steans (D-Chicago) and gay state Rep. Greg Harris (D-Chicago) reintroduced bills in their respective chambers that would extend marriage to gays and lesbians. The aforementioned committee on Jan. 3 voted to advance a same-sex marriage bill, but lawmakers did not take up the proposal before the end of the 2012 legislative session.

President Obama, Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) and Illinois Republican Party Chair Pat Brady are among those who have urged legislators to back the measure.

“It was amazing,” Equality Illinois CEO Bernard Cherkasov told the Washington Blade after the vote. “Not only did the bill pass with even stronger support than last time, but the opponents kept tripping over their nonsensical arguments. Significantly, not a single senator argued that same-sex couples did not deserve the freedom to marry. We have come a great way.”

“The day when loving, committed same-sex couples in Illinois can marry feels imminent, and Lambda Legal is energized by this vote,” Jim Bennett of Lambda Legal added. “Our state is ready to become the tenth state where same-sex couples have the freedom to marry, and we urge people across the state to call their senators and urge them to vote in favor of the bill when it comes to a vote as early as next week. It’s just time.”

Senate President John Cullerton (D-Chicago) told the Sun-Times on Feb. 1 that he would like to schedule a vote on the proposal in the full chamber on Valentine’s Day.

Ill. Senate committee approves gay marriage bill | Gay News | Washington Blade - America's Leading Gay News Source
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