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Old 08-31-2012, 03:33 PM   #361
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Legally, marriage is about the sharing of assets, so, yes, governments should define what a legal marriage is, and they should define it is two consenting adults. Polygamy is completely impractical from a legal point of view.
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NOW I get why we shouldn't allow gay marriage.

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Old 09-02-2012, 08:27 PM   #363
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Doesn't help the anti-SSM argument to me.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:28 PM   #364
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You've missed my sarcasm again pearl
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:47 PM   #365
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I was referring to the Hartzler's comment, not yours
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Um...okay...

The last line in particular is what really gets me. Yeah, how DARE anyone enter into a marriage based solely on a loving commitment! That's...bad! Or something.
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Errrrrr, isn't the whole point of the marriage based on a loving commitment(be it between man/woman or ssm), or am I being an incredibly stupid agnostic idiot here?
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I like the implication that straight couples = embodiment of all that is good but gay couples = counterfeit money
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Couldnt you sub in divorce for ssm and not change anything in her argument? Why arent straight married couples throwing a fit at divorce!! Don't we hear "til death do us part?"

How does she feel about someone like Newt? Being married three or four times kind of devalues the sanctity of marriage
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Dear Congresswoman Hartzler:

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Couldnt you sub in divorce for ssm and not change anything in her argument? Why arent straight married couples throwing a fit at divorce!! Don't we hear "til death do us part?"

How does she feel about someone like Newt? Being married three or four times kind of devalues the sanctity of marriage
Yes, I can think of several examples where a Republican has had someone else "enter their marriage." Democrats too, to be fair, but still...
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Crappy acting. Even more crappier message.

Why is being against gay marriage considered being about values? What sort of values? Aren't love and equality values?
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Okay, few things here:

1, Obama came out in support of gay marriage and...that's it. He hasn't pushed for any federal law legalizing it nationwide or anything, so where this "forcing gay marriage" BS is coming from, I don't know (and in the areas it is legal, no straight people have yet to be "forced" into anything, so...there's that little factoid, too).
2, "this isn't the change I voted for". What? Gay marriage is being treated the same way now that it was before Obama came into office, save for a couple more states personally deciding to agree to marry same-sex couples in that time period. And if you voted for Obama looking for change and yet are against gay marriage then...yeah, I'm really confused by that line.
3, the hell's with the forlorn music and the woman looking all distressed? Overdramatic much?

And I've never understood the "values" crap, either. Last I checked, discrimination didn't strike me as something to value, as something good and moral, but apparently I need to start thinking backwards or something.
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Dr. Mark Craddock of Sydney, who is also a member of the Exclusive Brethren Christian Fellowship sect, prescribed an 18-year-old man who was also part of the sect with the drug after he came out as gay, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.
In a letter to the NSW Health Care Complaints Commission, the unnamed man, who is now 24, said that when he came out as gay, a church leader told him ''there's medication you can go on." He continued, ''He recommended that I speak to Dr Craddock on the matter with a view to my being placed on medication to help me with my 'problem','' the New Zealand resident said, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.
The teen went to visit the 75-year-old doctor who then prescribed him with a "gay cure": the anti-androgen therapy cyproterone acetate, sold under the brand name Cyprostat, along with five repeats, according to ninemsn. He said the doctor did not refer him to a psychologist or discuss the drug's side effects.
Cyprostat is a form of hormone therapy used to treat prostate cancer. The drug will "work by stopping testosterone from reaching the cancer cells. Without testosterone the prostate cancer cells are not able to grow," according to the UK's Prostate Cancer Charity. Hormone suppressants have been used to "chemically castrate" sex offenders, the Guardian notes.
Mark Craddock, Christian Sect Doctor, Banned For Prescribing 'Gay Cure' Drug Used For Castration

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OWINGS MILLS, MD. – Brendan Ayanbadejo wants to thank the Maryland legislator who wrote a letter to the Baltimore Ravens condemning the linebacker's support of gay marriage.

"I'd have to thank him more than anything for bringing national attention to the issue," Ayanbadejo said Friday.

The Ravens defender has long been one of pro sports' most vocal athletes for same-sex marriage rights in the U.S. In a letter dated Aug. 29, 2012 and addressed to Ravens owner Steve Biscotti, Emmert C. Burns Jr., a Democrat in the Maryland House of Delegates, writes that Ayanbadejo should be silenced.

"I find it inconceivable that one of your players, Mr. Brendon Ayanbadejo, would publicly endorse same-sex marriage, specifically as a Ravens football player," Burns writes.

"I am requesting that you take the necessary action, as a National Football League Owner, to inhibit such expressions from your employees and that he be ordered to cease and desist such injurious actions. I know of no other NFL player who has done what Mr. Ayanbadejo is doing." Um, wrong

Maryland lawmakers approved in March a measure that would allow same-sex marriage in 2013. The issue will be put to a popular vote this November.

Ayanbadejo, 36, is unique in his vocal support of same-sex marriage as an NFL player, but he says he's surprised a politician would suggest his free speech be suppressed. He says the Ravens have said nothing to him about his stance, but he has received some "high-fives" and "kudos" around the team's headquarters here.

"I was surprised. It's what our country was founded on," he says of his free speech rights. "For somebody to try to take that away from me I was pretty surprised, from a politician especially.

"People get fired for saying the things that the delegate said. People lose their jobs for discrimination."

Should Burns be fired?

"I think that whoever voted for him has their right to vote for who they believe represents their values. And if he represents their values, he's the best person for the job. If Obama represents the best values for the country, he deserves the job."

Obama this year changed his stance on gay marriage, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to support it. Ayanbadejo began vocally supporting the cause in 2008, and says his issue isn't focused on homosexuals.

"Its an equality issue. I see the big picture," he says. "There was a time when women didn't have rights. Black people didn't have rights. Right now, gay rights is a big issue and it's been for a long time. We're slowly chopping down the barriers to equality."

The California high school and UCLA product has been encouraged by the support he's received on Twitter and Facebook. He says fans of the Steelers, Patriots, Bengals, Cowboys have congratulated him, among others. Even non-football fans say they now have a reason to watch and root for Baltimore.

"That feels good," he says. "Ultimately the goal is to be the best country we can be and we're always evolving. We've come a long way and still have a long way to go."

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