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Really? Come on now, marketers have been using sex, shock value, and the flat out weird to sell clothes for decades now. This isn't new.
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Really? Come on now, marketers have been using sex, shock value, and the flat out weird to sell clothes for decades now. This isn't new.
Irvine511
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do you think Urban Outfitters sells a lot of clothes to people outraged enough by two women kissing to boycott?
NOM's Starbucks "boycott" is a hilarious failure, and those "Million" Moms sure trounced Ellen didn't they?
NOM's Starbucks "boycott" is a hilarious failure, and those "Million" Moms sure trounced Ellen didn't they?
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what is the highest priority, (political goal) for gay people in the United States ?
Irvine511
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full legal equality (state and federal marriage rights, ENDA).
i might be missing something but that's about it. i'm fine with people saying horrible things about me. they just can't actually *do* anything to me.
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that is about it, the whole ball of wax
and we know public acceptance is moving in the right direction,
for the under 30, it is a no brainer, for the over 60, well, they say they want to protect traditional marriage.
and every one in-between? that is where we win or lose converts
I can reason with some people in my age group, when I talk about fair-play, equal protection, common decency, full taxation deserves full representation and participation
if the people are religious, anything that lends any credence to the arguments that gays want to recruit young people is not helpful
I know families that choose not to watch FOX channel or any shows that have any sexuality or use any bad words, they do not watch R rated films, these are there choices,
if they don't want their young children looking for school clothes being exposed to this, lambasting them is not a way to try and move them over to acceptance of full civil rights.
civil rights passed in 1968, not 1948 0r 1928. it was a process.
Jackie Robinson endured more than he should have. But that was part of the process to get to the most obvious, basic, human decency place. A modest Civil Rights bill. If Jackie Robinson had held his fist up during the National Anthem, as the Olympians did in Mexico City in 1968, he would have set back Civil Rights by giving the wrong side amuniotion for thier argumnets.
And yes, this catalog picture is not that big of a deal. But parents not wanting it for their children to see, also is not that big of a deal.
and we know public acceptance is moving in the right direction,
for the under 30, it is a no brainer, for the over 60, well, they say they want to protect traditional marriage.
and every one in-between? that is where we win or lose converts
I can reason with some people in my age group, when I talk about fair-play, equal protection, common decency, full taxation deserves full representation and participation
if the people are religious, anything that lends any credence to the arguments that gays want to recruit young people is not helpful
I know families that choose not to watch FOX channel or any shows that have any sexuality or use any bad words, they do not watch R rated films, these are there choices,
if they don't want their young children looking for school clothes being exposed to this, lambasting them is not a way to try and move them over to acceptance of full civil rights.
civil rights passed in 1968, not 1948 0r 1928. it was a process.
Jackie Robinson endured more than he should have. But that was part of the process to get to the most obvious, basic, human decency place. A modest Civil Rights bill. If Jackie Robinson had held his fist up during the National Anthem, as the Olympians did in Mexico City in 1968, he would have set back Civil Rights by giving the wrong side amuniotion for thier argumnets.
And yes, this catalog picture is not that big of a deal. But parents not wanting it for their children to see, also is not that big of a deal.
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As stated, it's entirely your right to decide what's acceptable in your household. I can't tell any parent they should look at something they don't like any more than that parent can tell me I shouldn't look at something they don't like.
But honestly, of all the issues in the world for mothers to concern themselves with, THIS is it? Two girls kissing in an ad? I agree that it doesn't really do anything for the product itself and is mainly there for shock value and is rather pointless as a result...but the reason shock value marketing continues to occur is because people continue to respond and be shocked by it and make it a news story. If you make it seem like it's not that big a deal, they'll have to switch marketing strategies eventually when people just look at their oh-so-shocking ads with a yawn and a shrug.
And at some point and time these mothers are going to have to explain lesbianism to their children. At some point and time their children will be exposed to it. Maybe even turn out to be lesbian themselves! How will they deal with that when the time comes? Shunning things only gets you so far for so long, and it often makes things worse instead of better for the kids.
They have the right to not support such things or let them in their homes, but I also have the right to tell them to be realistic, grow up, and realize there are bigger, more serious battles to be fought in this world.
But honestly, of all the issues in the world for mothers to concern themselves with, THIS is it? Two girls kissing in an ad? I agree that it doesn't really do anything for the product itself and is mainly there for shock value and is rather pointless as a result...but the reason shock value marketing continues to occur is because people continue to respond and be shocked by it and make it a news story. If you make it seem like it's not that big a deal, they'll have to switch marketing strategies eventually when people just look at their oh-so-shocking ads with a yawn and a shrug.
And at some point and time these mothers are going to have to explain lesbianism to their children. At some point and time their children will be exposed to it. Maybe even turn out to be lesbian themselves! How will they deal with that when the time comes? Shunning things only gets you so far for so long, and it often makes things worse instead of better for the kids.
They have the right to not support such things or let them in their homes, but I also have the right to tell them to be realistic, grow up, and realize there are bigger, more serious battles to be fought in this world.
PhilsFan
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USB-eqipped record players? What a fantastic non-sequitur.
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California Bill to Limit ‘Ex-Gay’ Therapy Advances in Legislature
that has a long ways to go before it becomes a law
but, sometimes the bully a child needs protection from is their own parent
that has a long ways to go before it becomes a law
but, sometimes the bully a child needs protection from is their own parent
ladyfreckles
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Well said.
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BuzzFeed, Apr. 30
A week from Tuesday, North Carolinians vote on whether to make gay marriage constitutionally illegal. This print ad campaign was launched to shock voters into defeating the Amendment:
This is how the Amendment One question will appear on the ballot:
[__] For [__] Against
Constitutional amendment to provide that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized by this State.
The state already doesn't "recognize" same-sex unions. That apparently isn't a strong enough statement for North Carolina lawmakers.
These segregation-riffing ads—tagged "On May 8th, make history. Don't repeat it."— are via Every1Against1. They argue that Amendment One "aims to turn all unmarried couples—whether same-sex or opposite-sex—into second-class citizens unworthy of basic dignity and fair treatment."
...[A]fter a similar constitutional amendment was passed in Ohio, several courts ruled that domestic violence protections did not apply to unmarried couples and cases were dismissed.
INDY500
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Ewww. You can catch gay from the gay water fountain right?
Irvine511
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Of course! Why, according to some, acknowledging the very existence of gay people is enough to turn whole classrooms of 2nd graders into glee club aspirants.
Apparently heterosexuality is so tenuous and fragile, and must be nurtured along like a baby bird with a broken wing.
Apparently heterosexuality is so tenuous and fragile, and must be nurtured along like a baby bird with a broken wing.
Galeongirl
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Man, I'm still pretty damn baffled how this is still such a big issue in so called first world countries in this day and age..
Cin
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It's a huge issue here, I'm ashamed that so many people are hardcore against it.
MrsSpringsteen
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msn.com
A Republican Missouri House member announced Wednesday that he is gay, urging GOP leaders to end the state’s so-called “don’t say gay” legislation that would limit discussion of sexual orientation in public schools.
“Today I ask you to stand with me as a proud Republican, a proud veteran, and a proud gay man who wants to protect all kids, addressing bullying in our schools,” said Rep. Zachary Wyatt, the Kirksville Daily Express in Kirksville, Mo., reported.
The 27-year-old cattle farmer from the rural northern Missouri town of Novinger said current legislation, HB 2051, prompted him to disclose his sexual orientation for the first time. Wyatt has publicly denounced the bill, which would ban teaching, extracurricular activities or materials that discuss sexual orientation unless they relate to the scientific facts about human reproduction.
“I will not lie to myself anymore about my own sexuality. It has probably been the hardest thing to come to terms with. I have always ignored it. I didn’t even think about it or want to talk about it. I’ve not been immune to it. I hear the comments, usually snide ones, about me,” Wyatt said, the Daily Express reported.
“I am not the first or last Republican to come out. I have just gotten tired of the bigotry being shown on both sides of the aisle on gay issues. Being gay has never been a Republican or Democrat issue, and it should never be,” Wyatt said, the Daily Express reported.
HB 2051 appears unlikely to pass before the session ends on May 18, according to The Associated Press.
“If I can save one kid from hurting themselves or taking their life, then I have done my job as a representative,” said Wyatt, according to the Daily Express.
Republican Rep. Steve Cookson, who sponsored the bill, says he has no plans to withdraw it, according to local media reports.
According to the AP, a spokesman for the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a national group that supports gay, lesbian, bisexual and transsexual candidate, said Wyatt is the only openly gay Republican now serving in a state legislature. There have been other gay GOP politicians who have served in state legislatures in the past, the AP reported.
A Republican Missouri House member announced Wednesday that he is gay, urging GOP leaders to end the state’s so-called “don’t say gay” legislation that would limit discussion of sexual orientation in public schools.
“Today I ask you to stand with me as a proud Republican, a proud veteran, and a proud gay man who wants to protect all kids, addressing bullying in our schools,” said Rep. Zachary Wyatt, the Kirksville Daily Express in Kirksville, Mo., reported.
The 27-year-old cattle farmer from the rural northern Missouri town of Novinger said current legislation, HB 2051, prompted him to disclose his sexual orientation for the first time. Wyatt has publicly denounced the bill, which would ban teaching, extracurricular activities or materials that discuss sexual orientation unless they relate to the scientific facts about human reproduction.
“I will not lie to myself anymore about my own sexuality. It has probably been the hardest thing to come to terms with. I have always ignored it. I didn’t even think about it or want to talk about it. I’ve not been immune to it. I hear the comments, usually snide ones, about me,” Wyatt said, the Daily Express reported.
“I am not the first or last Republican to come out. I have just gotten tired of the bigotry being shown on both sides of the aisle on gay issues. Being gay has never been a Republican or Democrat issue, and it should never be,” Wyatt said, the Daily Express reported.
HB 2051 appears unlikely to pass before the session ends on May 18, according to The Associated Press.
“If I can save one kid from hurting themselves or taking their life, then I have done my job as a representative,” said Wyatt, according to the Daily Express.
Republican Rep. Steve Cookson, who sponsored the bill, says he has no plans to withdraw it, according to local media reports.
According to the AP, a spokesman for the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, a national group that supports gay, lesbian, bisexual and transsexual candidate, said Wyatt is the only openly gay Republican now serving in a state legislature. There have been other gay GOP politicians who have served in state legislatures in the past, the AP reported.
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Dfit00
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Poor countries don't even care about their gays. Just like Obama doesn't care about black people.
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and now for the not-breaking news
Obama will not support same sex marriage before Nov election.
Romney's position will be the same as Obama's. A 'marriage' is one man one woman.
I don't believe Obama will allow that into the party platform.
Obama will not support same sex marriage before Nov election.
Romney's position will be the same as Obama's. A 'marriage' is one man one woman.
I don't believe Obama will allow that into the party platform.
deep
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Winslow Sherrill has two daughters who are lesbian. While he loves them and gets along with their partners,
he's going to vote in favor of banning gay marriage in North Carolina.
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I don't know Obama's position on same sex marriage. I know Joe Biden's. I am hoping a second term and a friendly legislature (good luck, that) might help solidify a favorable position and whatever action would be available to him. I'm not assuming it, though. We'll see how much risk he takes when he doesn't have to worry about keeping his job. Be interesting to see what his final legacy will be.
As part of a sex that is often treated as less than, I watch him with interest but not much enthusiasm.
As part of a sex that is often treated as less than, I watch him with interest but not much enthusiasm.
MrsSpringsteen
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I think Obama's position on gay marriage has already "evolved" and that he supports it. But he can't/won't say so because it might hurt him politically with some people, and he can't completely reconcile it with his religious beliefs. Or maybe that's more of a religious/political connection. Joe Biden is the VP and I believe he's Catholic, but he has less to lose I guess. Of course it's not as if plenty of Catholics don't openly, or not so openly, support gay marriage.
deep
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that article you posted?
I looked up the source, The New York Times opinion
Ok, easy for them
and now we have former DNC Chair and former Pennsylvania governor and Democratic stalwart Ed Rendell had harsh words for President Obama's new "evolution" on gay marriage.
Former DNC Chair Rendell: Obama Should 'Man Up' And Tell Gay Marriage Position
These people must be on the side of Romney 2012.
Sure, they will say they are on the side of history.
But, this election is going to be close. Obama needs the 90%+ per cent of black vote in a few swing votes. Turn off a few, let that fall to only 70% per cent because of the Black religious vote, and we can have a Romney Presidency.
There is concern that the Jewish vote has slipped 10-15%. These small margins matter, does anyone remember 2000?
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I do apologize on leaving out the NY Times. I copied the logo when copying the piece but it did not transfer and I did not notice. It is good to identify your source.
I understand your concern. Just don't care anymore. Tired of playing it safe. Tired of sitting back and behaving. Kind of tired of settling. Doesn't mean I won't vote for him.
Just means I do mind him being challenged.
I understand your concern. Just don't care anymore. Tired of playing it safe. Tired of sitting back and behaving. Kind of tired of settling. Doesn't mean I won't vote for him.
Just means I do mind him being challenged.
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So you are just fine with President Romney for 8 years.
PhilsFan
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Do you honestly believe that simply coming out in support of same sex marriage will lower the black vote from 90-something percent to 70-something percent? Somehow I doubt that one issue would swing things that severely.
Irvine511
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there is no way Obama will pull less than 90% of the black vote. he'd have to shoot a puppy on TV or something.
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I will not vote for Romney. I'm not happy with a combination of Romney and the likely makeup of the new Congress. At all. But really, I'm not OK with placating the bigots so your (generic your, not you specifically) guy gets in.
What are you asking me, them, to do, deep? Just how quiet and unchallenging should we stay? I'm so, so tired of being afraid of getting something worse that I don't challenge for something better. It gets demeaning.
BVS
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According to some posters in here all black people are blind mindless Democrat voters so your theory doesn't really hold any water.
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I don't think it will switch that many from Obama to Romney at all
I do believe it will have an affect if some religious black people choose not to vote for Obama, a lower black turnout for Obama in 2012 than what he got in 2008 can affect some toss up states
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there is a very harsh anti gay ballot in NC today
I would like to see it lose,
but it will most likely pass, there should be exit polling , I expect black N Carolinians to support it. there should be some exit polling data
I would like to see it lose,
but it will most likely pass, there should be exit polling , I expect black N Carolinians to support it. there should be some exit polling data
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