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#961 |
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Well maybe one day they'll serve them some bad chicken
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I can't fathom why I should approve of people wanting to deny others civil rights. You talk all the time about personal freedom. You think marriage is a vital part of society. So how can you reconcile your belief in personal freedom with your belief that a certain segment of society should be denied the same rights you get to enjoy? How can you talk about the value of marriage and its benefits to society while telling people they can't get married because it doesn't fit with your personal worldview of what makes a "traditional" marriage (which, once again, isn't even the original definition of a traditional marriage to begin with)? Why do you think your straight marriage, if you are married, or if you ever do get married, is automatically better than a same sex marriage by default? And I'm still not sure what exactly you mean by marriage being "gender specific". We in this thread have many questions about the anti-gay marriage stance. It'd be great to hear some of these supposed reasoned answers. As for your article... Quote:
2, if it's not about gays, then why make a big fuss over gays and marriage to begin with? The head of the business started the whole thing by making his stance on the issue known. 3, again, if one wants respect, they must show it themselves. Denying people civil rights, or showing support for people who deny people civil rights, for no logical reason doesn't strike many as a stance worthy of respect. Like has been said numerous times already, anti-gay marriage people are entitled to their beliefs. Nobody, but nobody, has been silencing them, nor are there any plans to do so by the government at large (one city refusing to let a restaurant in town isn't exactly a mass crackdown, and the chain can still set up restaurants plenty of other places). But that doesn't mean those people are free from criticism or scrutiny of those beliefs. |
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After all, there're plenty of other places to set up business in, right? |
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No, it wouldn't. And I'm agreeing with the overall sentiment that Boston shouldn't be outlawing the Chick-Fill-A chain, either, simply for its views on this issue.
I'm just saying that I hope people aren't suggesting that a city or two making a thing out of this means that this'll become some sort of domino effect or something. Quite frankly, I don't think the city has to do anything one way or the other. I think the owner making his stance known will be enough for many customers to figure out if they want to keep giving his restaurant chain business. Course, I do wonder, if some city refused to allow a business in whose owner had been known for racist beliefs/practices, what people'd be saying in that case. There are also discrimination laws to take into account, and I don't know if the restaurant chain would qualify under those or not. So far they haven't actively turned away any customers who don't subscribe to their beliefs, to my knowledge, but I don't know if running a business with those kinds of beliefs still counts for something or not. |
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The Prop 8 case pretty effectively showed that anti-SSM forces really are motivated by nothing more than animus. We can go over the trial and ruling if you'd like, or I'm sure I know some 'mo somewhere who can get us tickets to the next reading. |
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So...I have a few points here...
Why is the muppet company just now severing ties with CFA? Did they seriously only recently find out about the owner's views? I knew about this over 10 years ago, back when I heard that they were denying employment to rainbow friends. So how is it that I knew about CFA's political stance before their own investors did? I do find the conservatives right to free speech argument a bit silly. Would they show CFA the same support if Cathy had instead said he donated to the KKK? To al-Quaeda? Of course not. The majority of both sides would likely be raging over this if that were the case. And for the record, although I've yet to hear of the AFA killing people (yet), I do equate them with terrorists, because like them, they promote intolerance and seek to strip a particular group of their liberties. I agree with mayor Bloomberg's stance, though. I almost see it as a challenge. I doubt that a CFA in NYC would last very long. Not just protests, but I don't see many people in the area eating there now that the cat is out of the bag. I'm not quite sure I understand why some people are surprised about CFA's stance. A fast-food chain isn't looking out for our well being. How is that news??? CFA serves diabetes in a box and claims it is doing so in the name of God. At least they are indiscriminately killing off the American population. I know CFA day is coming up, which is mostly supported by anti-gay people. But, I think that "Even if you're gay, chow down at Chick-Fil-A" |
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Surely you can see the difference? What if a Chic-Fil-A type company gave millions to support organizations that were trying to remove crosses from cemetaries or the word 'God' from the pledge? |
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Freedom of speech was created to protect horrible, detestable, widely disagreed upon speech. It wasn't created to protect our right to say things that no one finds offensive. And as for your example, as a Christian, I would find that position incredibly offensive, unreasonable, and mean-spirited -- probably exactly how many people feel about chic-fil-a's stances. However, if my local mayor decided to ban the restaurant sporting those opinions from my city, I would be just as distraught as I now am. |
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Hey there! Thanks!! I've missed you, too.
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There ya go. Proof that it's best to let people be honest and open on stuff like this. People can figure out from there where they wish to stand.
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#977 |
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There was a commercial during the Olympics last night for some new reality show (hosted by Wesley Clark) that Todd Palin is on. Bristol is coming back on DWTS all stars. They just can't get enough-attention or Chick Fil A
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You would think that if you had that much money you'd actually go and buy yourself some decent food. But no.
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Todd looks nice.
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