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Old 03-06-2012, 09:54 AM   #321
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back then, before i hit puberty, it was having a mild obsession with certain other guys on TV who were around my age. it was finding them intensely attractive, but in a presexual way, that i usually translated into, "i want to be more like xx." i think i just thought he (or, rather, Mike Seaver) was "cool" and had nice eyes and cool clothes and was funny and well liked. i also had a bit of a crush on Fred Savage in The Wonder Years, which was an actual good show, but he'd always drive me bonkers in that he was hands down the worst liar to ever on TV and it was *so* painful watching him bumble through certain episodes.



show me that smile again ...
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back then, before i hit puberty, it was having a mild obsession with certain other guys on TV who were around my age. it was finding them intensely attractive, but in a presexual way, that i usually translated into, "i want to be more like xx."
That's so cute I LOVED Wonder Years.
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no Leo?


i was mildly infatuated with his hair in Romeo and Juliet.



very mid-1990s though.

say what you will, he was a great actor as a teenager.
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"The Late Late Show" host Craig Ferguson said, "Kirk Cameron makes me ashamed to be a failed actor. We don't all think like that NoH8."
Hahahaha, oh, my god, I love Craig even more now for that response .

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"Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve.
This always had me curious-did Adam and Eve have something akin to a traditional church ceremony? Or were they just automatically seen as "married" because they were the only two people on the planet at that moment? Would that really count as a "legitimate" union?

And let's not forget the fact that one of their kids killed the other. So much for straight marriage not contributing to society's downfall.
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i thought Adam and Eve were just allegorical.

but if some want to believe in talking snakes then go right ahead.
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and, quickly, more spank material for Canadians:

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I know a lot of people believe Adam and Eve were the very first two humans ever created, just as the Bible says.

That belief should be respected just as much as most everything else in the Holy books.
Adherents have a right to acceptance of those people and events as being true for themselves and 'the others' that choose to opt in to those groups.

I think to put certain stories, peoples and events on a scale of being more or less likely to be 'true' or 'believable' is not the right of non adherents.


A talking snake is as likely as a dead man coming back to life and floating up into the sky. Or an invisible 'Almighty' telling a man to slaughter his child to prove his love and devotion. Or 'same' having a magic finger that writes on stone tablets the obvious that would help an old man control ignorant misbehaving people to behave better out of fear of that same invisible 'almighty'.

So yes, why not, Adam and Eve as legit as any of the others in the eyes of adherents.
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Last December, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton delivered a landmark speech at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, proclaiming that "gay rights are human rights" and announcing the US' first government-wide policy to push for the decriminalization of homosexuality overseas (the speech coincided with a memorandum issued by President Obama). She vowed "to ensure that our foreign assistance promotes the protection of LGBT rights" but was light on specifics. Within days, newspapers in Liberia--one of America's closest allies in the region--were condemning the policy in particular and homosexuality in general. Sub-Saharan Africa is marked by widespread homophobia as well as chronic dependence on foreign aid, in particular from the US, and the idea that those two issues might now be linked seemed to upset a lot of people here.

On January 19, three days after Clinton attended the second-term inauguration ceremony of Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, a winner of the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize, Sirleaf's press secretary announced that she would veto any legislation allowing gays to wed or legalizing homosexuality. In February, a Liberian lawmaker introduced legislation that would ban gay marriage. The bill, an amendment to existing legislation banning incestuous marriages and polygamy, would make gay marriage a first-degree felony, with prison sentences of up to ten years. Later in the month, another legislator introduced a bill that would make "same-sex sexual practices" a second-degree felony, carrying up to five years in prison. The bill would also make it a crime to "purposefully engage in acts that arouses or tend to arouse another person of the same gender (male/female) to have sexual intercourse." Both pieces of legislation are currently being reviewed in committee.

Liberia's backlash was remarkable not just because the country's government makes it a point to disagree with the US as rarely as possible, but because it brought unprecedented local attention to the issue of gay rights. Like most sub-Saharan African countries, Liberia has a law restricting homosexual activity: voluntary sodomy is a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in prison. However, the most recent State Department Human Rights Report notes that "no convictions under the law occurred in recent years," and that, in 2010, there were "no reported instances of violence based on sexual orientation." Members of Liberia's LGBT community say that, for the most part, they had previously been able to live in peace--unaccepted, sure, but underground and unmolested. The recent backlash against this new US initiative, however, has manifested as a backlash against Liberian gays, leading some in the community to wonder if the American plan to help them could actually leave them worse off. "At first, people were so free with everything, but now people are holding back on their dress code," a 26-year-old Liberian gay man explains. "Say there's five people, and everybody wants to go out. Someone will decide that we can't go together, because there's a huge possibility that one of us among the group is well known to be a gay. Everybody will carry their own burden. Because some people walk in a feminine way, some people dress in a feminine way. So we say, 'Oh, we can't go together, we'll spread out.'"

These fears are not unique to Liberia. In Uganda, the home of a widely condemned 2009 bill calling for the execution of some homosexuals, an adviser to President Yoweri Museveni responded to Clinton's remarks, "I don't like her tone, at all...Homosexuality here is taboo, it's something anathema to Africans, and I can say that this idea of Clinton's, of Obama's, is something that will be seen as abhorrent in every country on the continent that I can think of." In early February, the author of the 2009 anti-gay bill reintroduced it (though he said provisions for the death penalty would be dropped).

Some countries, though, seem more receptive to revisiting their gay rights policies. Malawi, which Obama had earlier criticized for jailing two men who married in 2010, announced two days after Clinton's speech that it would review a ban on homosexuality "in view of the sentiments from the general public." A few months before Clinton's speech, Kenya's chief justice had declared, "gay rights are human rights."

Part of the backlash in some countries has to do with misinterpretation: a number of African media outlets have consistently reported that the policy makes US foreign aid conditional on gay rights. Graeme Reid, director of the LGBT Rights Program at Human Rights Watch, noted that Western powers had threatened to cut aid in the past, and that this may help explain today's misperception. In October, for example, UK Prime Minister David Cameron had threatened to withhold some aid from countries that outlaw homosexuality, though the money would only be redirected from a program called "budget support," which recipient governments prefer, to other programs such as humanitarian aid. Reid suggested that misplaced fears about aid cuts could harm the effort to promote gay rights. "It's a very fraught issue, because of course cutting general development aid on the basis of a vulnerable and unpopular minority can have consequences for that minority," he said, even if the fears about losing foreign aid are actually unfounded, as with US gay rights promotion. "They can be made more stigmatized and more vulnerable because suddenly it seems like they're bringing even more difficulty to the lives of the citizens of their country by being the cause of a cut in aid."

Nevertheless, US officials have either failed to correct the record or haven't really tried. Clinton did not address the issue, though it is a big topic here, during her January visit. Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the outgoing US ambassador to Liberia, said in an interview with a fellow journalist who asked about the policy on my behalf that this approach partly reflected concerns that further statements would aggravate the situation rather than calm it. "I think our policy has been extremely clear from Washington that there is not a connection between our long-term aid and policies related to this issue. But knowing how occasionally irresponsible the press is here, my view was that we should not feed that frenzy," she said. "We have given them the information, the correct information. I can't be guaranteed that a public statement that we give will be put out in the way that we want the statement put out." Thomas-Greenfield, who said she has discussed gay rights with Sirleaf, disputed that the new policy had triggered violence against gays. "I don't think [Clinton's and Obama's] statements were responsible for this behavior," she said. "I think this behavior is something that is criminal and it should be dealt with by the government here in Liberia. These views are not a result of policies from the US government."

Some of Africa's biggest recipients of U.S. foreign aid are also some of the sub-Saharan's worst on gay rights. Nigeria, for which the State Department has requested $660 million in aid in the 2012 fiscal year, banned gay marriage in late November--a somewhat unnecessary move given that homosexual activities are already punishable by up to 14 years imprisonment in the country's Christian-majority south and death by stoning in the Muslim north. Homosexuality is also illegal in Ethiopia ($608 million in US aid in 2012), where homophobia is so entrenched that, according to the Human Rights Report, the majority of gays who called the AIDS Resource Center in Addis Ababa "requested assistance in changing their behavior to avoid discrimination." Uganda ($528 million in 2012) has practically become synonymous with intolerance in the wake of the "Kill the gays bill" and the 2011 slaying of gay rights activist David Kato. Homosexuality is illegal in Kenya (at $751 million, the sub-Saharan's top recipient of US aid) and Tanzania ($572 million), although no one was reported punished for homosexuality in either country in 2010 (the Human Rights Report for 2011 has not yet been released). South Africa ($562 million) is the only African country that has legalized gay marriage. Last July, South Africa spearheaded the UN's first-ever resolution on gay rights, which passed despite strong criticism from other African countries.

Most African laws against homosexuality did not originate in Africa. Western colonial powers put them in place long ago, reproducing the laws they'd had at home but have since largely abandoned. Though many Africans believe homosexuality was an export from the West, in fact only codified homophobia was. Some evangelical Christians, many of whom are Western, are today continuing this tradition by supporting anti-gay movements in Uganda and elsewhere. African leaders may also be attempting to turn gays into "an easy scapegoat" for their nations' problems, says Reid of Human Rights Watch, especially "economic difficulty and political instability."

Although Clinton's speech may have helped fuel some recent backlashes against African gays, it didn't create the underlying homophobia, says Korto Williams, country representative for ActionAid International in Liberia. "People have children who are gay or lesbian and they just say, 'Don't talk about it, hide it,' or maybe the family does not talk to you. They ostracize you. That has been a common practice." Even members of the Liberian LGBT community worried about the short-term effects of the US policy acknowledge that, while the rhetoric and violence has escalated since early December, it's not a new problem. A man who was with a wedding party when it was attacked by a mob at Miami Beach [Liberia] in late January says that nearly every member of that group had earlier experienced more frightening incidents. "Everybody's got their own story." He says he hopes that, in the long term, the US policy will help improve conditions for gay Liberians, but he dreads more trouble ahead on the road to equality. "It's a good thing for the issue to be in the air, for people to hear about it and get used to hearing about it," he says. "But I feel like for us actually to face it, I don't want to be a part of it. You never know to what extent the people will go."
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We had a thread once about objectophilia

TLC has a new show, My Strange Obsession, Addiction..whatever it's called. A guy was in love with his car and was kissing it. He said he has sex with it too, they didn't show that (thankfully) but he told his father it involves masturbating. Who knows what else it involves, don't want to know. TLC should change their name to TMI.
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Yeah, I saw a clip of that on TV recently. I don't quite know why we needed to hear about that guy, either.

TLC has some of the weirdest programming sometimes, I swear...
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this has also been the best thing i've seen this week and i had to put it somewhere.
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"I said no mayonnaise. Fuck!" LOL

I think the irony might be a little too over-the-top to form the basis for a broad-based boycott, unfortunately the truly funny stuff usually is. Pro-choice groups have been urging boycotts of Domino's for decades without much success. Or much humor, for that matter...then again, now that things have gotten so surreal what with all the transvaginal probes and legally empowered embryos and sluts OD'ing on the Pill, maybe it's time to consider the possibilities.

I've never been to CfA since their fried chicken isn't kosher and they don't really serve much else.
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interesting that during the "rap" she does mention how the chicken isn't kosher.

this is a boycott we struggle with in our apartment. Memphis *loves* it, especially the chicken biscuits for breakfast. it's not big in DC, but there is one within walking distance from where i work, and it gets tempting on Fridays. and, yes, it is good. but since i never grew up with it, it's not hard for me to boycott.

i often find drag tiresome, but this is drag queens doing what they do best. this is the best online drag performance i've seen since "Sh*t Black Girls Say."

which i'm now going to post somewhere else ...
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A national group opposed to same-sex marriage aimed to fight it by driving "a wedge between gays and blacks" and identifying "glamorous" Latino artists and athletes to advocate traditional marriage, according to newly released confidential memos. The strategies were among several pursued by the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), which has actively campaigned against same-sex marriage efforts.
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Most of the memos were written in 2009. The president of NOM did not dispute the authenticity of the memos, saying in an online statement, "Gay marriage is not a civil right."

The memos highlight several efforts to fight same-sex marriage initiatives, which NOM contended were backed by the "pro-gay Obama agenda." "The Latino vote in America is a key swing vote, and will be so even more so in the future because of demographic growth," one NOM memo states. "Will the process of assimilation to the dominant Anglo culture lead Hispanics to abandon traditional family values? We can interrupt this process of assimilation by making support for marriage a key badge of Latino identity." Plans included Spanish language radio and TV ads, pamphlets and YouTube videos.

NOM also targeted what it termed "Democratic power bosses" it claimed were inclined to put the interests of gay rights groups "over the values of African-Americans." "The strategic goal of this project is to drive a wedge between gays and blacks--two key Democratic constituencies," another memo states. "Find, equip, energize and connect African-American spokespeople for marriage; develop a media campaign around their objections to gay marriage as a civil right; provoke the gay marriage base into responding by denouncing these spokesmen and women as bigots. No politician wants to take up and push an issue that splits the base of the party."

NOM argued "gay marriage is the tip of the spear, the weapon that will be and is being used to marginalize and repress Christianity and the Church."
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As a lonely voice here against same-sex marriage that has:

A) Taken Irvine to task many times over, what I consider, a poor analogy between same-sex marriage and the struggle of black Americans to gain equality.

B) Criticized advocates of same-sex marriage for bullying tactics (publicizing the addresses of prop 8 supporters, refusing to acknowledge dissent as anything other than homophobia, boycotts, etc).

I find this revelation not only embarrassing but truly distressing. Traditional marriage is worth defending and preserving... but not like this.

Shame on the National Organization for Marriage.
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One of the best shows on TV here, Adam Hills In Gordon St Tonight, did a mass gay TV wedding last night. It was awesome.

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Seriously, that is easily one of the best things I've ever seen on telly.

When Spicks & Specks ended, I wondered how Adam Hills was meant to top it. Well, now we know.
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They love their wedge strategies, dont they?
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