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Old 02-22-2012, 09:58 PM   #301
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Indeed.

I guarantee we wouldn't hear a peep from INDY if a judge made a decision that came down on the side of pro-life.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:59 PM   #302
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Whether it's the deficit, the national debt, the constitution, the courts, whatever the thing that irritates me from the right is the hypocritical sanctimony.
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Old 02-22-2012, 10:11 PM   #303
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here's the part of the ruling that i find really interesting:

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"Tradition alone, however, cannot form an adequate justification for a law....The 'ancient lineage” of a classification does not render it legitimate....Instead, the government must have an interest separate and apart from the fact of tradition itself."


that guts the whole "because i said so" argument.
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That should gut the "redefining marriage" argument too, which is nothing more than, "It's always been this way!"
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I don't understand how people can think the idea that a mindset/way of life that worked x number of years ago is perfectly okay to emulate today is a viable argument for anything.

And tradition in and of itself isn't always bad and worth respecting sometimes, but my god, people, at some point we have to move on and try something new. Just saying "it's tradition!" isn't enough, you kind of have to prove WHY the tradition must continue.
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Maryland Senate approves bill allowing same-sex marriage

Los Angeles Times | Feb. 23, 2012 | 4:41 p.m.

The Maryland Senate passed a bill today that would allow same-sex marriage. Gov. Martin O'Malley is likely to sign the legislation soon, making Maryland the eighth state to allow same-sex couples to marry.

Opponents of gay marriage have vowed to force a public vote on the issue in November.
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Opponents of gay marriage have vowed to force a public vote on the issue in November.


i don't know what to think on this. if it's another 51/49 split or so, like in CA or ME, are we set back 10 years?

it just seems shocking that anyone is voting on rights, especially when you're talking about a small population of people (5%). how do you get more than 50% of people to care?
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And these backward people lose all their referendums
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Maryland Senate approves bill allowing same-sex marriage

Los Angeles Times | Feb. 23, 2012 | 4:41 p.m.

The Maryland Senate passed a bill today that would allow same-sex marriage. Gov. Martin O'Malley is likely to sign the legislation soon, making Maryland the eighth state to allow same-sex couples to marry.
Hooray! Go, Maryland!

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Opponents of gay marriage have vowed to force a public vote on the issue in November.
Of course they are .

Give it up, guys. You're losing. Just stop.
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It’s exactly what I read throughout scripture: Jesus hanging out with people that religious people would flee from.
Bingo. Though, thankfully, I do know of many religious people who would join Jesus in that activity.

Interesting idea. I like the apology part the best, especially if it involves people apologizing for their misconceptions of gay people. I like that people seem genuinely touched by such things, says a lot about the crap they likely had to put up with in the past that a simple "I'm sorry" can move them so.
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The executive branch vetoing an act of the legislative branch = a republic

The governor asking that the law be decided by a vote of the people = direct democracy

The courts assuming to be above all of that = judicial activism
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So, after the approval of the same-sex marriage in 2010, this week it was discussed the adoption by same-sex couples.
Since we now have a majority of right-wing, it was obviously rejected.

But that's not the main issue.
Our legislation allows a gay man or a gay woman to adopt a child (in fact, our Constitution expressly forbids any kind of discrimination based in sexual orientation).
...But if this gay man/woman is married with another... That couple isn't allowed to adopt.
I call this hipocrisy.

It didn't surprise me that the right-wing majority rejected the proposal. In fact 10 of the 108 deputees of PPD/PSD (social-conservative/economic-liberal, but self-called social-democratic ) and 1 of the 24 deputees of CDS-PP (Popular[populist]-party) approved it (that. yes, surprised me positevely).
It didn't either that half of the 74 Third-Way/social-democratic (self-called Socialist Party) rejected it.
[The 8 deputees of the Left Bloc (neo-socialism) that presented the project voted for it]

What surprised me more was the rejection of all the 16 ommunist deputees... That had voted for the same-sex marriage 2 years ago.

Anyway, there's news that Rajoy, the new right-wing Prime-Minister of Spain wants to eliminate the same-sex marriage law approved (I think) in 2005... Just like he did with the abortion law 2 months ago, right when he reached the power.

The good news is that Sarkozy will probably lose April's elections to the (pseudo-)socialists and Hollande said that he wants to go on with same-sex marriage law in France.
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They're out there, but they're not talking. Hopefully, this is a step towards one day having openly gay professional athletes and no one caring what they do in the bedroom, but how they perform on the court, ice, field.

Nevertheless, good on these NHL hockey players for this:




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G and Hartsy! I love how many Philly athletes have done these things. I know the Phils did one for the It Gets Better jaunt that included Utley, Pence and Halladay.
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Kirk Cameron's at it again. Heartthrob? Since when?

Entertainment Tonight, Monday, March 5, 2012, 1:45pm (PST)

Celebs are speaking out following the comments by former "Growing Pains" heartthrob Kirk Cameron about homosexuality and gay marriage.

Cameron, who is an active advocate for conservative Christian values, said Friday on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight" that his beliefs don't allow him to support gay marriage. "Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve. One man, one woman for life till death do you part. So do I support the idea of gay marriage? No, I don't."

In his interview with Morgan, Cameron also called homosexuality "unnatural" and said he believes it can lead to a destruction of society. "It's detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization," he said.

Among the stars to criticize Cameron's words on Twitter were some former "Growing Pains" co-stars including Alan Thicke: "I'm getting him some new books. The Old Testament simply can't be expected to explain everything." "Growing Pains" star Tracey Gold said, "I am a strong supporter of the #LGBT Community, and I believe in equal rights for all. #NOH8 #LOVE."

"Modern Family" star Jesse Tyler Ferguson commented, "The only unnatural thing about me being gay is that I had a crush on Kirk Cameron until about 24 hours ago." "Raising Hope" star Martha Plimpton said, "The word "Equality" shows up too much in our founding documents for anyone to pretend it's not the American way. #usethe19th #equalitynow."

"Will & Grace" and "Smash" star Debra Messing posted, "i want to thank Piers Morgan for his response to what he wud say to HIS child if (s)he came out: 'Great, as long as you're happy.'" "The Late Late Show" host Craig Ferguson said, "Kirk Cameron makes me ashamed to be a failed actor. We don't all think like that NoH8."

The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) also expressed concern. "Cameron has the right to share his views, but as a result of GLAAD's work, people of faith who support LGBT people are making sure their voices are louder," said spokesman Herndon Graddick. "Thousands, including many people of faith, have shared the campaign and spoken out against Cameron's remarks."

"In this interview, Kirk Cameron sounds even more dated than his 1980s TV character," Graddick added. "Cameron is out of step with a growing majority of Americans, particularly people of faith who believe that their gay and lesbian brothers and sisters should be loved and accepted based on their character and not condemned because of their sexual orientation."
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to be fair, they said former heartthrob...

and to be fair again... kirk cameron didn't bring the issue up. piers morgan did, probably knowing full well that cameron would answer the question truthfully.

so i don't think he's at anything again... i just think he has a very antiquated, ignorant way of thinking, and a talented interviewer knew how to draw that out of him.
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I had a total pre-sexual crush on Kirk Cameron in the very late 1980s.
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I had a total pre-sexual crush on Kirk Cameron in the very late 1980s.
So did Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Hmmm Why did you like him? Just curious

I think Kirk was a heartthrob back then because there wasn't as much heartthrob competition. Alan Thicke might have been hotter. I saw Alan Thicke once at a Bruce concert, he was there with Doug Flutie.

I had a big crush on Michael J. Fox, still do.
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