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Old 04-25-2008, 02:27 PM   #21
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What exactly does Recreate '68 hope to accomplish (besides recreating '68)?

Are they planning on being at both conventions?

I'm afraid of what's going to happen in Saint Paul this summer. Hopefully no violence. Saint Paul is a quaint, quiet capital city.
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He might get his wish. Sadly.
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I hope that people with intelligence, and savvy will realize such a thing might happen> that ditto heads & their allies might try to pull something like that and not give them what they want.
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As far as this race goes, I dont like Clinton, dont like Obama and dont like McCain. The two best candidates were Biden and Richardson and the party kicked these people to the curb. I guess what I am saying is they already have enough embarrassment to look forward to in Denver without Rush complicating things.
Still, either Barack or Hillary would still be miles above McCain in MANY areas.
I preferred Edwards. I did vote for Hillary in my state's primary, BUT it was really a close <and LAST minute> call.
I could see postitives & negatives for both of those candidates.

ANd I have been very disgusted by some of the stuff Hillary's campaign has down. As well as her Bosnis arrival "recall".
THAT was unbelievably pathetic !!! HOW could you misremember something THAT obviously different in times of trauma levels relatively NON-trauma level. Going to Bosnia during wartime had it's INHERENT worry/ tension, but to upon arrive It would have been worth remembering that there was NO violence. sheeeeeeeesh.


.....and don't forget totally tipping the balance of the Supreme Court IF McBush wins!


Which, per the above....... I might as well start stating this now...........(puts on her helmet- dodging #brickbats#).
I hope, I :Pray: :Pray: that YOU supporters of one or the other will support whoever is the Dems candidate!!!

Democrats for the most part have always supported more free speech, separation of Church & State, there is the progressive/liberal wing of the Dems, more have supported human/civil/women's & G-L-B-T rights, AND choice (for women). Alot of them have had a more NUANCED view of the world, and thus International Policy.

DON'T FORGET the Safety Net, for the poor, the unemployed, the disabled, the more poor & fragile elderly!!

I'm sure there are very FEW of you Interlanders who doesn't have someone (s) you care deeply about whoneeds/ uses, or might need yourself SOME of this safety net.
Remmeber-- NEWT Gingrich said they wanted to keep messing w Medicare until it would "whither on the vine".
and that was just one of the programs they want(ed) to destroy.

aND those of you ultra ideaLouges (I am pretty much an idealouge myself ) who are thinking.....
oh, if mcCain wins MAYBE it'll get soooo bad "The People" will finally revolt" etc etc.....

Well, you know what??!!!>> THEY werre saying THAT during the Humphrey vs Nixon campaign of 68.
Nice how some are willing to have others get so down trodden so that the uber ideologue can have their revolution. I'm sure many of the downtrodden wouldn't have "volunteered" for things to slide further downward as they WOULD be -so to speak 'last hired, first fired".

Do you know of of W's team were IN the Nixon Administration.

NO let's get the best we can FOR now........Obama or H Clinton and them keep fighting to do even better by the ideals of America (even if they weren't meant for everyone in the beginning).
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if there is a riot, perhaps they'll arrest him and throw his ass in jail so we don't have to hear from him for a while.
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any rioting in Denver
will be done by people on the left, not right
Oh, for CHrriisssake's NOT everyone on the left is prone to /wants to 'riot'....OK?

shoot, I wartched THAT convention live on TV.....and the outside mess. It was awful.

and daley's people insdie were,t much bettrer.......

Rememeber it was ? dan rather getting pushed around on the convention floor.....
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Read:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html

Rush went on to add that he could have made his point in a better way. He said "if the Democratic party wants to destroy itself, we'll take it."
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if there is a riot, perhaps they'll arrest him and throw his ass in jail so we don't have to hear from him for a while.
Or you could just not listen to him.
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There's a difference between a prediction and saying his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens...
Did you read the article? Do you listen to his show, for that matter? He is not calling for riots.
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Maybe Rush was taken out of context

just as Rev. Wright was taken out of context
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Still, either Barack or Hillary would still be miles above McCain in MANY areas.
I preferred Edwards. I did vote for Hillary in my state's primary, BUT it was really a close <and LAST minute> call.
I could see postitives & negatives for both of those candidates.

ANd I have been very disgusted by some of the stuff Hillary's campaign has down. As well as her Bosnis arrival "recall".
THAT was unbelievably pathetic !!! HOW could you misremember something THAT obviously different in times of trauma levels relatively NON-trauma level. Going to Bosnia during wartime had it's INHERENT worry/ tension, but to upon arrive It would have been worth remembering that there was NO violence. sheeeeeeeesh.


.....and don't forget totally tipping the balance of the Supreme Court IF McBush wins!


Which, per the above....... I might as well start stating this now...........(puts on her helmet- dodging #brickbats#).
I hope, I :Pray: :Pray: that YOU supporters of one or the other will support whoever is the Dems candidate!!!

Democrats for the most part have always supported more free speech, separation of Church & State, there is the progressive/liberal wing of the Dems, more have supported human/civil/women's & G-L-B-T rights, AND choice (for women). Alot of them have had a more NUANCED view of the world, and thus International Policy.

DON'T FORGET the Safety Net, for the poor, the unemployed, the disabled, the more poor & fragile elderly!!

I'm sure there are very FEW of you Interlanders who doesn't have someone (s) you care deeply about whoneeds/ uses, or might need yourself SOME of this safety net.
Remmeber-- NEWT Gingrich said they wanted to keep messing w Medicare until it would "whither on the vine".
and that was just one of the programs they want(ed) to destroy.

aND those of you ultra ideaLouges (I am pretty much an idealouge myself ) who are thinking.....
oh, if mcCain wins MAYBE it'll get soooo bad "The People" will finally revolt" etc etc.....

Well, you know what??!!!>> THEY werre saying THAT during the Humphrey vs Nixon campaign of 68.
Nice how some are willing to have others get so down trodden so that the uber ideologue can have their revolution. I'm sure many of the downtrodden wouldn't have "volunteered" for things to slide further downward as they WOULD be -so to speak 'last hired, first fired".

Do you know of of W's team were IN the Nixon Administration.

NO let's get the best we can FOR now........Obama or H Clinton and them keep fighting to do even better by the ideals of America (even if they weren't meant for everyone in the beginning).
Well of course, I agree with everything you said. I am a Democrat, through and through. Programs like Medicare and Social Security, Head Start, Job Corps, Unemployment compensation and Medicaid- I am well aware what party started these and what party can be trusted to preserve these. Despite what the Republicans say about being 'different' or 'compassionate' (remember compassionate conservatism?) I remember Gingrich shutting down the government twice to try and intimidate Clinton into gutting Medicare and Medicaid. I remember Clinton and Gore standing their ground and that they were Democrats! I know full well that Republicans do not mean it for the simple fact that they never believed in these programs to begin with. Take Social Security as an example: it will go bust in 2042, the Republicans keep crying- ignoring the fact that this estimate is based on 1.4% economic growth over that time period, 1.4%!! Even in our worst period, the 1930s, we averaged 2.2% so that claim is crazy. The privatization scheme is simply what the Republicans have always wanted. Bill Richardson is the only candidate who ever said that.

For me, the issues are as you identified, and more importantly:
-The economy-Bush has us in a complete mess with his massive deficit spending and tax cuts for people who do not need and did not ask for them. We need to raise taxes responsibly and cut spending responsibly like Clinton did.
-This Iraq debacle needs to end so we can stop spending $3billion per week that can be spent here and most importantly, stop wasting our Soldiers lives for this unnecessary, counterproductive war.

Though I liked Biden and Richardson and dislike Obama and Hillary, rest assured, my vote will be going to the person on the right side of all those issues. And through word and deed, John McCain has demonstrated he is on the wrong side of them. I never said I would not support the Democrats in November, just that I truly and honestly believe with all of my heart that they are making a very winnable race all to difficult to win by who THEY(the party elites) chose to run this year. Does that mean I will bolt? No, but just look at the embarassment they have caused themselves in what should be a cake walk election: Hillary in Bosnia, Hillary w/ drivers licenses for illegals. Obama and 'typical white people' (whatever that means, I am not one of those), William Ayers and Rev.Wright- all those things speak to the man's judgement that is supposedly so great! None of that disqualifies me from voting for who I think has the best policies in November. I harbor no grand delusions(as some independents and radical leftists do) that there is no difference between the two parties, there is, as you pointed out very well!
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I condemn, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Rush that have caused this controversy. Rush has used incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the political divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation -- that rightly offend conservatives and liberals alike. But for some, nagging questions remain.

Given my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough.

Why associate myself with conservatives in the first place, they may ask? Why not change the dial?

And I confess that if all that I knew of Rush were these few snippets from all his years of broadcasting, or if his radio show conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some posters, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way.

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I started listening to more than 20 years ago is a man who helped introduce me to conservatism, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to torture detainees; to lower taxes on the rich and to blame all our troubles on the gays and Mexicans.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the conservative community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother. He is a part of me. And he is a part of America, this country that I love.



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I am pretty sure the Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton's prediction of riots would be much easier to prove causality.
What were their exact statements?
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What were their exact statements?
Al Sharpton on the O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: All right. It looks like, and this has been a crazy race so anything can happen obviously, but it looks like Barack Obama will roll into the convention with more popular votes and more elected delegates. That's what it looks like.

But I'll tell you what: The Clintons aren't going to step aside. So let's just say — we don't usually do this, but I think this is educated speculation — let's just say Hillary Clinton gets the super delegates and gets the nomination, and Barack Obama is angry. What do you do? Are you going to get out there and demonstrate?

SHARPTON: Well, it's not a matter of just what do I do. It's what a lot of people…

O'REILLY: No, but I want to know what you do. You're a big Democrat. Come on.

SHARPTON: Well, I mean.

O'REILLY: Come on, you're a good guy. Are you going to be out there with signs?

SHARPTON: There will be many reactions. There will be many reactions.

O'REILLY: But yours? What is yours going to be?

SHARPTON: Mine will be based on if she legitimately wins it.

O'REILLY: No, just the scenario I gave you. Just the scenario I gave you. Barack Obama has got more popular and more elected delegates come convention time. He's denied it because of the deals of the super delegates. What does Al Sharpton do? Do you take to the streets? What do you do?

SHARPTON: Well, if he is denied the selection of the nominees by super delegates making backroom deals, not by the voters, well, you not only would see people like me demonstrating, you may see us talking about whether or not we can support that ticket.
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Based on that particular exchange, it seems the biggest threat Rev. Sharpton is making is not supporting a ticket.

I had the radio on when Limbaugh was making his riot statements. I didn't get the sense he was inciting to riot as much as I got that a riot was on his wishlist.
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I had the radio on when Limbaugh was making his riot statements. I didn't get the sense he was inciting to riot as much as I got that a riot was on his wishlist.
This is more of an accurate statement/assessment and not the common sensationalism that rules these threads.

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SHARPTON: Well, if he is denied the selection of the nominees by super delegates making backroom deals, not by the voters, well, you not only would see people like me demonstrating, you may see us talking about whether or not we can support that ticket.
Is the word "demonstrate" synonymous with "riots" nowadays?
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SHARPTON: Well, if he is denied the selection of the nominees by super delegates making backroom deals, not by the voters, well, you not only would see people like me demonstrating, you may see us talking about whether or not we can support that ticket.
Thanks. So that's supposed to be the evidence for "literal riots. Al Sharpton has promised them!" according to Limbaugh? Come on.

What about Jackson? Where's his alleged riot-promising statement?
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only have a min right now (don't have a net connect at home]

ah, sorry if I assumed some stuff.......

Oh yeah, the economy -- that, the war [and how digracefully the vets are being treated] AND global warming are the biggest immediate issues.
Giving MORE tax breaks to the wealthiest...oh, please... we have had several previous major tax reductions for the wealthy prior to ? W.
At one point around JFK's time it was close to 90%!
later it was around 45%.

J Bidden yes has some very strong international experiences.

ANd yeah, this race was more tilted towards being "the Democrats to lose..."

and actually as a white person -- the typical white person comment is not as bizzaire as it seems-- becuase I've spent very long time listeninf through various meida where that type of remark comes from. And will be willing to talk about it more when I have the proper time where I now have to leave--which will be most of next week.

so if you want-see you then. go well.
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Does Rush want a riot of Republicans carrying golf clubs drunk on gin and tonics after they played a round of bridge?
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Did you read the article? Do you listen to his show, for that matter? He is not calling for riots.
I read the article. Did you read my first post? And yes I do listen to the the show every once in awhile...

I didn't listen that day, but the article seemed to suggest he did call for riots...
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