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I'm 16, I'm an independent. I originally thought myself a republican in 2000 cause I didn't like Clinton (I didn't know politics, my only knowledge of him was Monica Lewinski!
__________________![]() It's interesting how I became the way I am. My mother believed that I should figure out my politics on my own, so they never talked politics with me, and never told me who they voted for. They still do not. I've found that my mother is independent, from a republican family, and my father a republican from a republican family, so it's interesting that I've became an independent leaning liberally. I have one belief that is very conservative, however. ![]() I think reading and posting in this forum for the past year has helped shape my political beliefs. I've read arguments for both sides of the issues, and compared them, and have done my own research, etc. It's been enlightening. |
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Any ideological disagreement with the size and scope of government is not to be found in either the GOP or dems.
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Iraq and immigration are sort of obvious, and most age groups lean similarly.
I think it's the social issues that are sinking the right and they stand to lose an entire generation. The conservatives in Canada seem to be a lot smarter and they've basically abandoned the issue of gay marriage (stating that it is legal, constitutional, and settled once and for all), they've embraced environmental issues, and have a policy of gagging their candidates from mentioning abortion (recognizing it is a losing issue). And it's not ideology on their part; it is pragmatism. The GOP doesn't seem to understand that they represent losing issues, because it is time that is going to defeat them, as certainly as the sun will rise in the East tomorrow. |
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We are finally growing out of the 50's...
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![]() Just didn't think it would take till I was in my 50's ![]() BTW Phillyfan: I liked Nixon in early '68 because he had a righteous shiny bumper sticker with stars & stripes ![]() |
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It doesn't mean much to me. If a democrat president screws up the kids will more likely vote republican in 2012.
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But will they vote?
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^Unfortunately, no.
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![]() It doesn't surprise me that the Republicans are losing the youth vote. When a party is so against what a lot of us have grown up to believe is right (gay marriage, abortion), it's obvious that they would lose the vote of the young people. |
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But it won't matter how alienated young people are because they don't vote. No vote, no changes, more whining.
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Well, about 50 per cent is not a great voter turnout among young people, but to say "they don't vote" isn't exactly right either. And as pointed out in the article, the number was growing.
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On the other hand, Winston Churchill had this to say: 'Show me a young Conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old Liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.' Political views do evolve over the years. Time will tell ![]() |
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In addition, while we can identify "socially conservative" views, what are the economically "conservative" ones? Is that the "pro-globalism" camp or the "pro-protectionism" camp? I'd probably argue, as objectively as possible, that the "pro-protectionist" camp is the "conservative" of the two, as globalism is a standard by which we'd deem an economy to be "liberalized." If that's the case, then I'd argue that Churchill's quote gets trumped by the adage, "You can't stop progress." And that's certainly the case, as I see it. "Social conservatives" are fighting a losing battle, just as each generation's social conservatives have lost the battle to keep slaves, ghettoize Jews, or marginalize women. Likewise, "economic conservatives," if you define them as "protectionists," are fighting a losing battle, as well, because we live in an increasingly "borderless" world. |
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