Reasons why you support the death penalty? (if you do)

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Angela Harlem

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I went to an exhibit today on what is without a doubt Australia's worst murder case in all of our history. I have spent years reading up on crime all through the last 200 years or so, and from all over the world, and none I think equals the abhorance of the Anita Cobby murder. That's personal opinion, but this personal opinion is a major player in my reasons to support in selected cases, the re-introduction of capital punishment. People talk about rehabilitation and resocialising offenders. I dont really believe that is plausible in general, but unfortunately every so often cases arise where there is just NO CHANCE at all that these offenders can become anything more than savages. A man withour remorse is a soul lost forever. You cannot teach remorse or compassion when it doesn't exist in your being. I had the (dis)pleasure once of hearing first hand from a prison guard all the facts from her murder that were ommitted from all media reports, and in many ways I wish I had never heard it. Men like the Murphy brothers, Travers, and Murdoch make you fear what mankind is capable of, and question why our society can sink to such an appalling low.
So my answer is pretty much summed up in 2 words: Anita Cobby, but I'm curious why you all might share that view?

Here's a link on her if anyone is interested. Avoid page 9 if you dont want any details. And as disgusting as it all is, the fact that more was left out says a lot.

Anita Cobby
 
I find that I cannot support the death penalty in good conscience and still maintain my strong belief about the dignity and value of human life. But that is not a position I have come to lightly, believe me. :|
 
I don't support the death penalty for a few reasons. I don't believe that it is a deterent (and their are plenty of studies to show this, although finding a direct corelation is difficult.) Another reason is science. I want these people studied, so that maybe one day, we can find out what makes these people do what they do. If so, then we can see the early warning signs, whether they appear in childhood, where we can get these kids help, or as adults, when we can do the same. Third, I think it's more of a punishment to keep these monsters behind bars for the rest of eternity. No Parole. That, and it just doesn't sit well with me, although I believe it is difficult to know exactly how one feels, unless such a horrific crime is commited agaimsy one pf your loved ones. Would I then want to see that person die? Tough call........
 
it's one i wave back and forth on....sometimes i just want perpetrators to die. example: tim mcveigh (man who performed the oklahoma city bombing). i was content that he was killed for that horrendous crime.

and i wonder about what to do with men like those who killed anita cobby. let them rot in jail and stew about what they've done and incur the wrath of fellow prisoners, or be put to death "humanely."

i think it should be used very rarely and decided upon with great weight. i also think that regular juries shouldn't get to decide it, considering (in the states at least) the degree of control each lawyer has over the jury [and all the brilliant potential jurors find ways to get out of jury duty].
 
I could never support the death penalty for a couple of reasons. One we have a fallible system and there have been innocent people put on death row. Two I can't play God. The days of an eye for an eye were dismissed once the teachings of the New Testament came to play. Yes this person, if guilty, committed a horrific crime and they may have taken life, but I have no right to make the decision if they live or not. It becomes revenge at that point.
 
I am mostly against it but whenever I hear about a particularly horrific crime, the first thing that comes to mind is "I hope he/she/they get the death penalty."

Like Lilly said, it should be used rarely. Tim McVeigh is a perfect example...I never wavered in my belief that he should be put to death. I also believe that if someone confesses to a horrible crime and the evidence proves they did it, the death penalty is appropriate.

The thing that scares me away from being totally for it is the fact that it is possible for an innocent person to be put to death. There have been too many cases of innocent people serving 10 and 20 years of a life sentence, only to be proven innocent by DNA tests or other evidence. They walk out of prison and start life again...but if it happens to a condemned person, there's no taking it back if its carried out.
 
well a fucker who rapes and kills a four year old girl he abducted deserves a little retribution yes?

maybe 2 months, a slap on the wrist, and if he's demonstrating good behaviour - maybe he can be released earlier?

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thats great.

almost as great as the aborting of babies, which is also stellar. nothing controversial or hypocritical there. no sir. :up:
 
well a fucker who rapes and kills a four year old girl he abducted deserves a little retribution yes?

Why is it on this forum that if you are not for something you have to be on the complete opposite spectrum. There are such things as life sentences.

I'm tired of this type of mentality on this board. If you are anti-war than you are really pro-Saddam. If you don't like the president than your anti-American. I'm sorry it disturbs me and it's spreading way too fast.
 
But why Kill them? Instead, put them in my three-tier prison system. At the very very bottom level. For life. That would be far more fitting, and, ultimately, fairer. What is more just; to have these animals (and, I'm sorry, broken home or no broken home, they are) put to deat, thereby releaving them of the pain and suffering they have caused for years - or having them suffer for the rest of their lives? I choose the latter.

Death is too good for them, that is why I don't support the death penalty. Death is taking pity on the perpetrator, not the victim.

Ant.
 
its hard to say...on one hand im for the death penalty because of the severity of the crime. its an iffy situation. what good would it do to 'study' those who committed these horrific crimes anyways? there's never going to be any breakthrough in finding out what makes criminals tick. criminals have been doing shit like this for thousands of years.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


Why is it on this forum that if you are not for something you have to be on the complete opposite spectrum. There are such things as life sentences.

I'm tired of this type of mentality on this board. If you are anti-war than you are really pro-Saddam. If you don't like the president than your anti-American. I'm sorry it disturbs me and it's spreading way too fast.

well since i was so obviously painting you (and you alone, might i add :rolleyes: ) into a little box, i figured thered be no point in giving any leeway.

im terribly closed minded, and if you dont like my opinions, i have the right to voice them even louder.

if you cant win by reason, you can always win by volume.
 
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well since i was so obviously painting you (and you alone, might i add ) into a little box, i figured thered be no point in giving any leeway.

Good job it worked.:yes:

if you cant win by reason, you can always win by volume.

Volume means nothing if what you're blaring through the speakers is crap. You may get people's attention at first, but then they learn to tune it out.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:


Good job it worked.:yes:



Volume means nothing if what you're blaring through the speakers is crap. You may get people's attention at first, but then they learn to tune it out.

this is rediculous.

recognizing sarcasm is not one of your stronger points. if you think my post was somehow an attack on you, get over yourself. it was merely an open-ended statement.
 
I am against murder if it doesn't safe other lives (e.g. self defense), so I am against the death penalty.
 
Since early 1970's a little over 100 people have been exhonerated from death row, only 12 from DNA results. The average time spent on death row was a little over 8 years. There are no means to measure how many actually have been executed for the legal process stops the day they are executed. But if just one life was lost due to a system's mistake it will never make up for it in the number of those that were guilty of the crime.
 
You've had a shocking experience Angela.I remember Anita Cobby.It's is just appalling what happens to the victim and their family. No one can be compensated or relieved of the horror of such acts. I may lean to the idea that execution is too good for them, the ****** should live their lives with their shame. And also that the court system is so open to interpretation and corruption and just general stuff-ups of process, that innocent people can be convicted and true deviates go free or inadequately dealt with. And thirdly the morality of it which is a huge grey area or me. Sorry, undecided, depends on each circumstance I suppose.

I have to go in a sec...but I wanted to mention Andrew Wilkie to you. I won't start a new thread, no time and not that many Aussie's here.
Good on Andrew. I just hear Alexander Downer trying to downplay Wilkie's position in the Office of National Assessment. That guy had to be a lot closer to the truth( and more importantly, proof of the truth, than anyone else). I believe him.
The Prime Minister's Watch Office, they'd have to know.
 
Gickies Gageeze said:
well a fucker who rapes and kills a four year old girl he abducted deserves a little retribution yes?

maybe 2 months, a slap on the wrist, and if he's demonstrating good behaviour - maybe he can be released earlier?

:up:

thats great.

almost as great as the aborting of babies, which is also stellar. nothing controversial or hypocritical there. no sir. :up:

Yes, sorry -this comment is just plain dumb. Ever heard of life imprisonment? The final judgement belongs to God, I would have thought you'd appreciate that.
 
no one should ever die. ever. that is the simplest way to sum it up, for me.

no one has presented credible reasons why the death penalty is viable...
 
its a point of view, and if you want to call it dumb, go right ahead. and while your at it, perhaps someone can get me banned too.

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I would defend to the death your right to not be banned, dear bear. It was still a dumb comment. Unless it was meant ironically, but unfortunately I'm not a mind reader.
 
Zedbetty said:
I would defend to the death your right to not be banned, dear bear. It was still a dumb comment. Unless it was meant ironically, but unfortunately I'm not a mind reader.

dear zedbetty,

my comment does not necessarily reflect my actual stance on the matter - because i dont have one.

on one hand, dear zedbetty, i am outraged at the weakest of punishments being handed out to the darkest of men.

on the other, i too dont want to play God, and the whole "eye-for-an-eye" thing may in fact be outdated. but where do we draw the line and say, this is acceptable punishment?

and yes, i was being sarcastic in some ways. ive had an absolutely shitty day and it would appear that i was very loose with my words.

have a good day, dear zedbetty.
 
Kobe there is no credible reason for the death penalty. I dont think there is anyway. However when I look at someone like John Travers, a man who does not know guilt or remorse and is complacent with the way of life in prison, I dont see any punishment dealt for his actions. Death is extreme and wrong, but its about all you can give some people.

Thanks for posting Cass. Im still reading up on Mr Wilkie and the whole saga, the Office of National Assessments is claiming he didn't have access to all this info, but I reckon the senior intellignece officials that AM contacted have to be right. Man, what I would give to see what goes on in the ONA!
 
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