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Old 10-22-2004, 04:54 PM   #1
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Reality and what Bush supporters believe

New poll by the U of Maryland was published.

Some "surprises" include (I put Kerry supporter numbers in the brackets following each breakdown):

IRAQ:
20% of Bush supporters believe Iraq was directly involved in 9/11. (8%)

Another 55% of them believe Iraq provided substantial aid to Al-Qaeda. (22%)

WHAT 9/11 COMMISSION CONCLUDED:

13% believe the commission concluded that Iraq was directly involved in 9/11. (7%)

43% believe the commission concluded that Iraq provided substantial aid to Al-Qaeda. (20%)

GLOBAL PUBLIC OPINION ON IRAQ:

26% feel that the majority of the global public favoured the invasion. (5%)

42% feel that the global public was evenly divided regarding the invasion. (20%)

31% feel that the majority of the global public opposed the invasion. (74%)

GLOBAL PUBLIC OPINION ON US ELECTION:

57% believe that the majority of the global community supports Bush re-election. (1%)

33% believe the global community is divided on the US election. (30%)

9% believe that the majority of the global community supports the election of John Kerry. (69%)

HOW WELL INFORMED SUPPORTERS ARE OF THEIR CANDIDATE'S ISSUES:

The majority of Bush supporters is wrong on believing:

That Bush supports the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%).

That Bush supports the Kyoto Accord (51%).

That Bush supports the Land Mine Treaty (72%).

That Bush supports including labour and environmental standards in agreements regulating trade (74%).

The majority of Kerry suporters was CORRECT in all these instances regarding their candidate's position.

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Old 10-22-2004, 05:25 PM   #2
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Interesting but not shocking...
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I do wonder if I were to do such polls on Kerry or Nader supporters the results that I would get. Questions like:

- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.
- Did Iraq ever kill an American citizen.
- Did Iraq sponser terrorism
- Do the majority of Iraqi's want the US in Iraq
- Are most Iraqi's somewhat or much better off after the invasion.
- Is "Al Qaeda" the principle threat to the United States
- Are the terror warnings politically motivated.
- Does the US support Israel too much.
- Do you believe that there will be another draft.

I suspect that one could get some interesting results. There are ignorant people who support President Bush, there are misinformed people who support President Bush, but this does not mean that all people who support President Bush are ignorant or misinformed.
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- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.

Without a doubt, I am sure he did.
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Without a doubt, I am sure he did.
Are you saying he knew there would be an attack?

LOL.
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I do wonder if I were to do such polls on Kerry or Nader supporters the results that I would get. Questions like:

- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.
- Did Iraq ever kill an American citizen.
- Did Iraq sponser terrorism
- Do the majority of Iraqi's want the US in Iraq
- Are most Iraqi's somewhat or much better off after the invasion.
- Is "Al Qaeda" the principle threat to the United States
- Are the terror warnings politically motivated.
- Does the US support Israel too much.
- Do you believe that there will be another draft.
Problem is most of your question are pointed and can't be measured.
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They can be answered yes or no and they can be supported using statistics, history and statements, except for the US support for Israel one.
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They can be answered yes or no and they can be supported using statistics, history and statements, except for the US support for Israel one.
How can you answer whether terror warnings are politically motivated and measure that against the "truth"? Like Karl Rove's gonna say yes.
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Are you saying he knew there would be an attack?

LOL.
- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.

There is a picture of him sitting behind his desk in the whitehouse.

On the desk is a calendar with the month of September on it. The 11 is clearly visable.
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- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.
- Did Iraq ever kill an American citizen.
- Did Iraq sponser terrorism
- Do the majority of Iraqi's want the US in Iraq
- Are most Iraqi's somewhat or much better off after the invasion.
- Is "Al Qaeda" the principle threat to the United States
- Are the terror warnings politically motivated.
- Does the US support Israel too much.
- Do you believe that there will be another draft.

1. This will never be answered 100% honestly. Do we know he had some type of warning? Yes. But it's a loaded question.

2. What about other countries...once again loaded.

3. Loaded, but this wasn't what was claimed. You're confusing the issues.

4. Could be measured but doesn't really answer any questions. Does Africa want our help? Anyone else out there?

5. Are we speaking as of right now?

6. How will this be measured?

7. How will this be measured?

8. Once again...measure.

9. This is probably the most loaded question. No one is claiming that either politician wants a draft. That's just ridiculous. The quesion is will we be prepared if something beyond our vision happens in the next few months?
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- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.

There is a picture of him sitting behind his desk in the whitehouse.

On the desk is a calendar with the month of September on it. The 11 is clearly visable.
seesh u had some of us worried.

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- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.

There is a picture of him sitting behind his desk in the whitehouse.

On the desk is a calendar with the month of September on it. The 11 is clearly visable.

Sounds like




you should



put your



tinfoil hat on.
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How can you answer whether terror warnings are politically motivated and measure that against the "truth"? Like Karl Rove's gonna say yes.
How do you know what he is gonna say? Do you read minds; or are you just that partisan that you think you can?
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- Do you believe that Bush knew about September 11 in advance.

There is a picture of him sitting behind his desk in the whitehouse.

On the desk is a calendar with the month of September on it. The 11 is clearly visable.
touche'
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Originally posted by anitram The majority of Kerry suporters was CORRECT in all these instances regarding their candidate's position.
interesting that they could, indeed, figure out what Kerry's position was at all.
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Is John Kerry for the war, if you answered YES then you are correct, if you answered NO then you are correct, if you answered DON'T KNOW then you are correct - simple really.
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1. This will never be answered 100% honestly. Do we know he had some type of warning? Yes. But it's a loaded question.

2. What about other countries...once again loaded.

3. Loaded, but this wasn't what was claimed. You're confusing the issues.

4. Could be measured but doesn't really answer any questions. Does Africa want our help? Anyone else out there?

5. Are we speaking as of right now?

6. How will this be measured?

7. How will this be measured?

8. Once again...measure.

9. This is probably the most loaded question. No one is claiming that either politician wants a draft. That's just ridiculous. The quesion is will we be prepared if something beyond our vision happens in the next few months?
In response to your #9, the majority of US combat brigades, 55, are currently at home in the United States. So yes, the United States is prepared to respond to multiple contingency's around the world in the next few months and years.
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26% feel that the majority of the global public favoured the invasion. (5%)

42% feel that the global public was evenly divided regarding the invasion. (20%)

31% feel that the majority of the global public opposed the invasion. (74%)

57% believe that the majority of the global community supports Bush re-election. (1%)
these were some of my favorites.
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This is as ludicrous as Kerry claiming we can get cheaper drugs from Canada and demonizing US drug companies. Due to federal pressure all the US drug makers realized flu vaccines would no longer be profitable and just stopped making; hence, the outsourcing and our current shortage. Canada is already voting to stop demostration projects for new US states who want to officially purchase drugs because it is causing shortages and driving up prices at home. In effect, there will be no mass sales of these drugs to the US public in any official capacity. If we directly pressure US drug companies on other meds, they will follow the path taken for the flu shot. Given this, Kerry still believes this is a viable alternative.

Similarly, his whole plan for getting other nations and the UN involved in Iraq defies any common sense. Are we going to depend on nations and organizations that were directly selling arms to Iraq or financing this activity at the same time they were supposedly acting as our allies? Even Mr. Putin has claimed that he believes the election of John Kerry will be considered an asset to global terrorism. Publicly saying the war wasn't a good idea in the first place and then asking people to join you is just a losing proposition.


If Kerry has nothing to hide about his military record, why won't he sign the release to make all his records public? Doesn't that seem strange to anyone? Why there was a board of inquiry at his separation? Why did it take years for him to get an honorable discharge?

Bush has his own issues which are obvious. I am just amazed when people turn a blind eye to the alternate realities we are facing.
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It's a sad state of affairs that so many are uneducated about their candidates actual positions on important foreign affairs.

The UofM thinks they are unable to face the reality of Bush's positions.
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