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Old 10-15-2002, 05:31 PM   #21
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I havn't read the Koran and I didn't see Farwell's comments (I did read them in the paper though) but wasn't Farwell was referring to some parts of the Koran that one could consider violent?

Also, for somebody to say something over television can't be compared with killing thousands of innocent people. Don't even go there.
No, he did not say it about the Koran. He said that "Mohammad was a terrorist".

His comments did spark violence in at least one nation that I read about.

The 60 Minute Program was specifically about Christians that wished to bring about conflict in the Middle East, becasue they believe that when Israel controls the Holy Land, the Messiah would return to usher in the Kingdom of God.

His comments were designed to add fuel to the fire in an ugly situation.
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SO is it fair to equate the Crusaders with Terrorists?
Probably not. The various forces behind the Crusades (from protecting Holy Land pilgrims to empire expansion) are quite unlike the forces behind the terrorist’s acts of today.
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Probably not. The various forces behind the Crusades (from protecting Holy Land pilgrims to empire expansion) are quite unlike the forces behind the terrorist’s acts of today.
No no, you miss the point.....if Mohammad is to be considered a terrorist and proclaimed as such by a religious leader in the United States, is it not fair for a Cleric in another country to declare the Christian Crusaders terrorists.

I am not attempting to say that the Crusades were = to 9/11 terrorism.
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No no, you miss the point.....if Mohammad is to be considered a terrorist and proclaimed as such by a religious leader in the United States, is it not fair for a Cleric in another country to declare the Christian Crusaders terrorists.

I am not attempting to say that the Crusades were = to 9/11 terrorism.
Possibly. Falwell was misusing the term “terrorist,” which is understandably an emotionally charged word today.

The bloodshed that marked the formative days of Islam is not the same as 9/11 and is not the same as the Crusades.
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Possibly. Falwell was misusing the term “terrorist,” which is understandably an emotionally charged word today.

No WAY!!!!! When CBS contacted him and asked him if he wanted to change his remarks, he clearly stated that "His only regret about the remarks was that 60 minutes aired them".

I have quoted as close to what was said as I can remember. If you want, I have the show taped and can get the complete quote for you. This does not sound like someone who did not know what he was saying. I have the original show taped as well.
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Just to set the record straight. If I am not wrong, Islam is not taught as a war-full mindset. Islam is peaceful in many ways; though unlike Christians (just to compare) they don't believe in turning the other cheek. Rather, they are encouraged to 'defend' their rights and territory. The word "jihad" doesn't mean "holy war", contrary to popular opinion. It means "struggle" and this struggle is the fight to take back what is rightfully one's property/rights.


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[Adjusting sarcasm filter] – No actually the Crusades took place centuries later.

Why post you something like Adjusting sarcasm filter. Does it make you feel good, trying to bellittle people ?



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Just to set the record straight. If I am not wrong, Islam is not taught as a war-full mindset. Islam is peaceful in many ways; though unlike Christians (just to compare) they don't believe in turning the other cheek. Rather, they are encouraged to 'defend' their rights and territory. The word "jihad" doesn't mean "holy war", contrary to popular opinion. It means "struggle" and this struggle is the fight to take back what is rightfully one's property/rights.


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My problem with this sort of issues is that we forget our own violent history if we talking about other religions,....
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radical Hindus (in India/Pakistan)

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exactly how many hindu radicals do you find in pakistan ????

Also to set this straight....5 Indians were killed due to muslim riots caused by falwell's comments..I believe that is the riot that someone else in this thread mentioned
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No WAY!!!!! When CBS contacted him and asked him if he wanted to change his remarks, he clearly stated that "His only regret about the remarks was that 60 minutes aired them".

I have quoted as close to what was said as I can remember. If you want, I have the show taped and can get the complete quote for you. This does not sound like someone who did not know what he was saying. I have the original show taped as well.
I think you missed my point. I am not trying to defend Falwell or explain what he said. I don't beleive the term "terrorist" is accurate in describing Mohammad.
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Why post you something like Adjusting sarcasm filter. Does it make you feel good, trying to bellittle people ?
Communicating through forum posts is imperfect. I could not tell from your post if (1) you honestly did not know when the crusades took place or (2) you were using the Crusades as a negative mark on Christians today.

I apologize if you felt belittled by the comment.
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I think you missed my point. I am not trying to defend Falwell or explain what he said. I don't beleive the term "terrorist" is accurate in describing Mohammad.
yep I missed it

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Islamofascism is probably a better title to this thread.

Also it's not lost me that they are an "equal opportunity" menace...Christians in Sudan, Hindus in Kashmir, Jews in Israel...


And finally, its Jerry "freakin" Fallwell! Notwithstanding the "slander" on Mohamed, Ppl over there should consider the source b4 they run out and start rioting and killing.... How’s it? "Sticks and stones..."
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Islamofascism is probably a better title to this thread.

Also it's not lost me that they are an "equal opportunity" menace...Christians in Sudan, Hindus in Kashmir, Jews in Israel...


And finally, its Jerry "freakin" Fallwell! Notwithstanding the "slander" on Mohamed, Ppl over there should consider the source b4 they run out and start rioting and killing.... How’s it? "Sticks and stones..."
I'm glad someone recognizes the plight of hindus in kashmir...the fact that they attempted to commit genocide against them and the fact that 10 million hindus live in refugee camps in their own country to due ethnic cleansing in kashmir..it seems to a be an issue that almost no one knows about.
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I'm glad someone recognizes the plight of hindus in kashmir...the fact that they attempted to commit genocide against them and the fact that 10 million hindus live in refugee camps in their own country to due ethnic cleansing in kashmir..it seems to a be an issue that almost no one knows about.
It is devastating what's happening in Kashmir. Here is a good website to read about the history and current situation:

http://www.left-turn.org/feature/arc...ir/ashman.html
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It is devastating what's happening in Kashmir. Here is a good website to read about the history and current situation:

http://www.left-turn.org/feature/arc...ir/ashman.html
actually...that article is a bit crap...seems to claim that somehow Kasmiri's have been denied the right to self determination.


Before Kashmir was denied a plebacite to determine it's future...they launched a massive capmaign against hindus...killing a number of them...and exiling more than 10 million. Essentially tampering with the plebacite



On these gorund india has denied a plebacite to kashmir ( and rightfully so).


Also...Kashmir has participated in indian elections and it's govermental process and has recieved funds from the indian govt....thus...as far as I'm concerned..they are part of india by their own consent.


so as to not hijack this thread.....I'll post another thread on the matter later tonight.
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There are a lot of other articles on the site, too. I don't know much about the history myself -- I'm just trying to learn about the situation, so if you have other sources to direct me/us to, bring 'em on.
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