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Old 08-29-2004, 09:04 PM   #21
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I get a buzz every time I see a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker. I actually have one, but I never put political bumper stickers on my car. I am really shy about controversy. There are a few yard signs in my neighborhood. I was pleasantly surprised to see those stickers. There are probably not more than six families planning to vote that way in November around here, this is solid Bush country.
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Old 08-29-2004, 09:24 PM   #22
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Its too bad that Bushhitler and Herr Ashcroft has crushed all dissent in this fascist police state that was once the land of the free, watch as his stormtroopers go out and stop people from doing once allowed things like burn down McDonalds, light bonfires and blow up subway trains.
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Get real people, this is freedom and democracy at work, people are allowed to be total imbeciles and wankers with rank hypocracy to boot. Ban FoxNews was a well worn catchcry - only let me think, banning media outlets that you disagree with would actually be control of information. These protestors are enjoying their right to free speech - although I am not an American I live in a free country and I have the right to say they are a bunch of lefty-anarchist moonbats who have no comprehension of the real world and will most certainly do damage to Kerry's campaign than Bush (I don't remember violent Republican protestors at the DNC).

And again, communists for Kerry - the smartest protest group (albeit against Kerry) ive seen in a long while.
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Old 08-29-2004, 10:40 PM   #23
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as much as i loathe fox news i have no desire to ban it.
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Old 08-29-2004, 11:22 PM   #24
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No, I do agree. I don't enjoy Fox News, but there is (still) such a thing as free speech in this country. They have the right to have their say, just as we have the right to disagree.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:58 AM   #25
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Get real people, this is freedom and democracy at work, people are allowed to be total imbeciles and wankers with rank hypocracy to boot.
yeah, internet forums proof this day after day
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(I don't remember violent Republican protestors at the DNC).

I think that's because there rarely were more than few hundred gathered to protest at the DNC. Unfortunately some of them were indeed violent. But crowds of 200,000 are going to have a few more loose cannons than crowds of 200.
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I saw some of that yesterday. I loved the signs

My faves-Bush has Iraq-tile dysfunction, and Bush is a tush
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I wish I could be there for the protests. I'll have other chances I'm sure though.
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I would have loved to have been there for the protest. That's right up my alley!
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Old 08-30-2004, 11:42 AM   #30
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As a southerner (ahem) I would be very much against having people take a test to vote.....it's too reminiscant of the discrimation against blacks around here from 50 years ago. That's just not how American democracy should work. Like it or not, ill-informed people can vote too.
I am also from the south and I think it's needed very much! We have way too many people voting when they don't understand the issues or know what the candidates really stand for. It's not fair to the majority of people who are well informed when they vote to get stuck with the wrong candidate because someone voted only because somebody told them which was the 'right' party, or worse yet because somebody bought them off with cigarettes (which happened in Philadelphia in 2000) Letting an uninformed person vote is like letting a burger flipper do neurosugery on you. Sorry I believe there has to be a level of competency there to trust someone with such an important task, especially one that affects the whole population and in a way the entire world.

I also don't understand everyone touting Kerry as the anti-war candidate. He has NEVER said he'd stop the war, in fact, he has issued statements that he will reduce forces within FIVE YEARS! Bush has promised to reduce them by the end of next year. Anyone voting Kerry because they want the war to end is uninformed and sadly mistaken.
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I have been saying that all along, but the lefties just want Bush out, they don't care who it is. They'd vote for Bart Simpson over W if they could. It's actually kind of sad.

And yesterday's protesters are more likely to vote for Nader than they are Kerry. Most of the signs I saw are more Green party alligned than Democratic.
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I'm voting for someone who's less likely to start preemptive wars. I also know that W has made a bed in Iraq that Kerry would have to lie in if he's elected.
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We democrats are more careful about voting than you think.......we wouldn't just vote for bart simpson, which is why we chose Kerry over Dean in the primaries (no offense to the deaniacs out there). We really do want a man who would make a good president, in addition to wanting to dethrone bush.
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Yeah, we lefties aren't careless about our votes. When it looked like Howard Dean was going to get the nomination, quite frankly I thought we were fd. No offense to any Dean supporters. I felt better about Kerry, and I still do. I'm not surprised that alot of the demonstrators in New York were Nader supporters rather than Kerry supporters. I personally know of some anti-war activists who are going to vote for Nader, so it's not like this is any kind of surprise.
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I'm voting for someone who's less likely to start preemptive wars. I also know that W has made a bed in Iraq that Kerry would have to lie in if he's elected.
Yes. Iraq is going to be a very tough situation no matter who's elected. I don't see those Sunni Wahhabist types calming down anytime soon. Now that a Shi'ite cleric, Sistani, has emerged as the most powerful man in Iraq, this is going to challenge Iraq's traditionally powerful Sunni minority. I can see Iraq becoming a Shi'ite state, however, I really can. The warriors put their guns down when Sistani told them to, but not Allawi. This is not a good sign. The Sunnis aren't likely to put down their guns for anything.
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Preach it, verte! It's true, no matter who is elected, they will have an extremely difficult time taming the tiger.
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Well there are plenty of 'lefties' who WILL vote for anything as long as it's a democrat. These people include some poor blacks who vote for who their 'black leaders' tell them to vote for, old people who love the dems because of JFK and FDR and will just ask 'which one's the democrat!' plus the poor hillbillies who can't half read who have a tradition of voting dem beause they believe they care about the poor, and then of course you have the homeless bought off with the cigarettes and the senile elderly folk who are drug in by the vanload to pull the lever for the dems even though some of them don't even know which end is up anymore. The lefties are very good at getting out the vote, sending out people to take any dem voting body to wherever they need to go. I've never heard of the republicans do that. Not saying every lefty is like this, and no offense to those smart lefties posting here, but it does happen a lot!

I do believe everyone, regardless of demographics or party affliliation, should have to prove themselves at least minimally knowledgeable of the important issues and what each candidate stands for before being allowed to decide the fate of a nation.
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And there are plenty of right-wingers who will vote for anyone as long as it's a Republican.

If you want to get into dirty tricks pulled on election day there's plenty to go around on both sides.
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I'm just glad I read that some Dem followers wouldn't just vote against Bush. I have a question to the people who just posted. If Dean did get the nomination, who would you vote for? Dean or Bush?
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I do believe everyone, regardless of demographics or party affliliation, should have to prove themselves at least minimally knowledgeable of the important issues and what each candidate stands for before being allowed to decide the fate of a nation.
Same standards for the President himself? If a person is to stupid it shouldn't be allowed to run a country?
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