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Old 04-29-2004, 09:17 AM   #1
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CBS obtains photos showing alleged abuse
Six MPs face court-martial for treatment of Iraqi prisoners

Updated: 10:46 p.m. ET April 28, 2004NEW YORK - U.S. military police stacked naked Iraqi prisoners in a human pyramid, and attached wires to one detainee to convince him he might be electrocuted, according to photographs obtained by CBS News which led to criminal charges against six American soldiers.



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ďIf we canít hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we canít ask that other nations do that to our soldiers,Ē Kimmitt said.
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The Army is already taking action against the soldiers who participated in this conduct.
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The Army is already taking action against the soldiers who participated in this conduct.
I'm glad they are stepping up and doing that.
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The Army is already taking action against the soldiers who participated in this conduct.
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I watched 60 Minute II last night.

It was pretty disgusting, men and women soldiers were participating in the abuse.

It makes it more difficult to demand fair treatment of our prisoners.
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send them to the hague...
oh no wait, the bloody yanks will invade .nl then and free their hero's, oh man godbless them!1
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send them to the hague...
oh no wait, the bloody yanks will invade .nl then and free their hero's, oh man godbless them!1
That was a productive comment.
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Wasn't there a similar incident last summer with British troops?
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The Army is already taking action against the soldiers who participated in this conduct.
Good.
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Wasn't there a similar incident last summer with British troops?
This hapens more often than you think in almost all troops.
You can read about these incidents in the ai-journals. (For example even canadian UN- roops tortured people to death)
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It makes me wish I was still in the service, these are the kind of soldiers that make me sick.
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Did this happen before or after the war started to go so badly? If after, maybe those soldiers were pissed off that they faced another summer in the hellish heat instead of getting to go home as promised. Of course, nothing excuses such behavior, that's ostensibly why we're there in the first place.
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Wasn't there a similar incident last summer with British troops?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=14199634%26method=full%26siteid=50143%26headline=shame%2dof%2dabuse%2dby%2dbrit%2dtroops-name_page.html
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Did this happen before or after the war started to go so badly? If after, maybe those soldiers were pissed off that they faced another summer in the hellish heat instead of getting to go home as promised. Of course, nothing excuses such behavior, that's ostensibly why we're there in the first place.
O, and pissed off he is,...


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I suspect the fallout from these images (particularly the British one above) will be quite significant.
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This is another perspective on the use of mercenaries, that are outside regular troops restrictions. It is a horrible incident and the most disturbing is the grins on the soldiers faces.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...206725,00.html

The scandal has also brought to light the growing and largely unregulated role of private contractors in the interrogation of detainees.

Lawyers for the soldiers argue they are being made scapegoats for a rogue military prison system in which mercenaries give orders without legal accountability.

A military report into the Abu Ghraib case - parts of which were made available to the Guardian - makes it clear that private contractors were supervising interrogations in the prison, which was notorious for torture and executions under Saddam Hussein.

One civilian contractor was accused of raping a young male prisoner but has not been charged because military law has no jurisdiction over him.

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But this is the first time the privatisation of interrogation and intelligence-gathering has come to light. The investigation names two US contractors, CACI International Inc and the Titan Corporation, for their involvement in Abu Ghraib.

Pretty scary I think.
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The reason this is such a big issue is because of the photographic evidence.



Reports of abuse have been circulating for months.




If there were no pictures these stories would all be called lies or at best exaggerations.



War is an ugly business. The abuse of the 4 contractors outraged and incensed Americans. Rightfully so.


Our abuse and humiliation, making naked Iraqi men do oral sex on other naked Iraqi men with American women watching and laughing will leave us with little credibility on the "Arab Street"

God help us all.
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Reports of abuse have been circulating for months.

If there were no pictures these stories would all be called lies or at best exaggerations.
Exactly, in every country there is the myth that "our soldiers" would never ever harm any innocent person, they allways act in self defense and 100% of them are honest, brave etc.

But of course in every country in every army you have these "black spots"

Today there were also pictures circling around in the european press that the British Soldiers did similar things in iraq but nothing could be prooven yet.

Anyway this situation explains why the Red Cross, ai, medicins sans frontiers etc. need access to ALL prisinors, and why it's dangerous to treat some of them outside of the genova convention.
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The pictures in the daily mirror could be fake,...

On those pictures you can see a truck, weapons and hats that are not been used by the British army in Iraq.
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Rono: i hope it's a fake but the abuse by the US soldiers seem to be true:

New Yorker

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BBC

Janis Karpinski (US Brigadier-General) told the NY Times that the blocks in Abu Ghraib prison where inmates have bin tortured were under direct control of army intelligence and CIA.

And Amnesty International:
"Our extensive research in Iraq suggests that this is not an isolated incident. It is not enough for the USA to react only once images have hit the television screens"
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