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Old 05-09-2002, 09:27 PM   #81
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Yes, go on, all of you, beLIEving in your pure hearted government...

Ah well, ignorance is bliss!!! Enjoy!!!



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I'll name names. Here are just a few:
GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Alan Keyes, J.C. Watts...these are all politicians who currently serve or who have served recently. I know one politician who goes to my church whom I know well, and I can swear to you that he cares about people. There are many other politicians, both Republican and Democrat who care about the American people. To make a blanket statement that no politician in the last 20 or 30 years cares about the American people is not just inaccurate, but insulting.

BUSH?????????? ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!! Cheney??? UHHHHHHHHHHHH dont think so. So tell me, how have those 2 improved YOUR life????
Ok, possibly the one that goes to your church. What does he do for the people? Does he volunteer at soup kitchens, walk the streets and get needy people the help they need? Get people jobs, fight for peoples rights, what??
I know my statement is insulting. Thats what its intended to do. I dont mind insulting criminals, which most pols are, in one way or another.
So you named a few. So that still means, what, 99% of pols dont do shit for anyone other than themselves, and their friends.
99% is close enough for me to make a broad statement like that.
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With all due resepct, Miss MacPhisto, whatever Arun V told you in private conversation at least 8 months ago is probably not fair material for you to introduce in response to his post supporting/defending the US.

But since you have brought it up, I chat with him privately as well, and I trust his loyalty to be sincere. An "America Appreciation Thread" is a brave step in a forum such as this, and Arun V is the one who posted it.

I do agree with a lot of the things you say, Miss MacPhisto; but keep in mind that MANY Americans from all sectors of the political spectrum have come together in their reaction to 9-11; it doesn't mean they are hypocrites or anything. Instead, it means that despite our political differences (and I have several with Arun V), we DO have a bond as Americans which transcends political parties, ideologies and such.

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And I agree wholeheartedly with your last statement.
But as far as Arun is concerned, I do believe that it is perfectly fine for me to introduce statements he made to me prior to Sept 11th.
I couldnt believe it when i talked to him and he actually supported military action torwards Osama and Co. I was stunned. And I dunno about his sincerity at all: "I say a lot of things".
And i dont find an America Appreciation thread to be "brave" post Sept 11th - Everyone is babbling about how much they love it here now. Thats...nice, but...

Anyway, as I said, if you dont care about the people in this country, then you do not love this country.


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Could this be any more vague? What information? Did it mention targets, schedules, methods of operation? anything? Without specifics it's next to impossible, even for the US gov't, to stop a few people with box cutters.
Of course its vague!!!!!!!!!! What do you think, i went and videotaped the whole show, or took notes?! I'm going on memory, and with all the things going on at that time, and with all the time that has passed, i dont even remember all the details, I watched the segment, rolled my eyes, and went on with business.


If you are in counter terrorism, its YOUR JOB to be one step ahead of terrorists. You need to think like a terrorist, in order to see where weaknesses in our security are, and prevent such attacks.
Hell, if i got a bunch of friends togethr, i'm quite sure we could dream up some ingenious terrorist plot just on what limited knowledge of such things we have. If we could do that, then why is it so difficult for those who are actually educated on such matters to remain one step ahead of terrorists, and do their job protecting an entire country?
It could have been prevented, but it wasnt. I cant believe this just slipped by them. No way..



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So you named a few. So that still means, what, 99% of pols dont do shit for anyone other than themselves, and their friends.
99% is close enough for me to make a broad statement like that.
But you see, you can't even say that!
How in the world do you know how many politicians do or don't care about people? That's totally ridiculous. I can't even believe you said it.
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But you see, you can't even say that!
How in the world do you know how many politicians do or don't care about people? That's totally ridiculous. I can't even believe you said it.
She doesn't know that; she may claim to, but, HELL, I could claim the opposite for that matter. I could "claim" George Wallace was a "good" person, simply because he was a DEMOCRAT. But that doesn't mean it would be TRUE.

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Its easy really. When you encounter a certain type of person, and evry person of that type that you meet, read, or hear about is a certain way, than you can pretty much assume that most of them are that way.
Thus, if the vast majority of pols are worthless I'll just go right ahead and put the figure at 99%.

Oh, and 80s, you didnt answer my question. How has the guy who goes to your church changed lives. how does he help people on a regular basis?
If you went up to people who formerly lived a hellish life, and/or lived in poverty, in the bad part of town, etc etc, and asked them who had made a positive difference in their lives, would they really name some people in government?!?! Would they really name Bush, Cheney, the dude from your church, etc??

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I stopped reading this around the time people started attacking each other as they often do in this place but Koby I've got to say THANK YOU!!! I love conspiracies, true or not, I think it is fascinating how stories can be made out of a few facts or comments. This conspiracy theory is indeed an interesting one!


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Its easy really. When you encounter a certain type of person, and evry person of that type that you meet, read, or hear about is a certain way, than you can pretty much assume that most of them are that way.
Nice to see you've got some prejudice working with that ignorance of yours.

Sorry Miss Mac, but all you did here was make generalizations, accusations, and offer far fetched theories without offering one shred of evidence to support anything you say. Instead, all we hear is either "I can't remember" or "I don't have the time" Next time don't bring a knife to a gun fight, K?
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Sorry, but youre the one who is a pathetic ignoramus.
I never said i had all the details, and its true i cant remember, and its also true that i dont have the time.
All I'm stating is that i am almost certain that the US government as at least partly responsible for what happened, and that the vast majority of pols are nothing but twisted sick ppl. Thats all i came here to say, not to provide evryone with all the gorey details. You can just get off your ass and go find out the truth yourself.
Maybe someday i'll have the money and the means to go out there, compile a database of pols, do some research, and find out who's naughty and whos nice. Or perhaps someone else can prove me wrong.If it turns out that indeed the majority are innocent and pure as the driven snow, then fine. I'll happily change my opinion.
Until then, i'm sticking to my guns. Not my knives...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:

I never said i had all the details,


By making the statements you've made, you certainly ought to have them, or, at least a few.

and its true i cant remember,


You can't remember, or did you just not know in the first place?


and its also true that i dont have the time.


Yet, you have had PLENTY of time to tell us you can't remember and/or don't have the timeto elaborate [/b]

All I'm stating is that i am almost certain that the US government as at least partly responsible for what happened, and that the vast majority of pols are nothing but twisted sick ppl.
Yes, and while we're at it, let's blame the holocaust on the Jews; earthquakes on Southern Californians, and Bill Buckner's error in the World Series on Mookie Wilson.

Again, something to back these statements up would be nice

Thats all i came here to say, not to provide evryone with all the gorey details.
ANY of the details would be closer to the truth.

You can just get off your ass and go find out the truth yourself.

Just like you already have, right?




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And I agree wholeheartedly with your last statement.
But as far as Arun is concerned, I do believe that it is perfectly fine for me to introduce statements he made to me prior to Sept 11th.
I couldnt believe it when i talked to him and he actually supported military action torwards Osama and Co. I was stunned. And I dunno about his sincerity at all: "I say a lot of things".
And i dont find an America Appreciation thread to be "brave" post Sept 11th - Everyone is babbling about how much they love it here now. Thats...nice, but...

Anyway, as I said, if you dont care about the people in this country, then you do not love this country.


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OK...this is it...


Just because I value peace, and don't believe that the american military should place lives at risk by performing police operations everywhere doesn't mean I'm against the war on terrorism. And anytime your pro american in FYM your likely to get your balls chopped off.

and to say that I dont' love the american ppl...is ludicrous. Number 1 you are not a qualified source to determine what MY emotions are and second NO ONE gave you the right to determine what patriotism is and isn't. Why don't you let me determine what my feeelings are and express them how I choose.

and to say I dont' care about the needy in america?????

prior to september 11th I have said that the military budget should be trimmed to take care of the needy in america. Post september 11th that sacrifice cannot be made ( though I think the military should be a bit less wasteful with it's money).


My track record on this forum and to anyone that actually listens to me is clear. "oh arun said this, arun that" this thread isn't even about me to begin with.

You;ve expressed what some would consider anti american views in this thread..you dont' see me attacking your love of this country.




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Its easy really. When you encounter a certain type of person, and evry person of that type that you meet, read, or hear about is a certain way, than you can pretty much assume that most of them are that way.
Thus, if the vast majority of pols are worthless I'll just go right ahead and put the figure at 99%.
Oh, and 80s, you didnt answer my question. How has the guy who goes to your church changed lives. how does he help people on a regular basis?
If you went up to people who formerly lived a hellish life, and/or lived in poverty, in the bad part of town, etc etc, and asked them who had made a positive difference in their lives, would they really name some people in government?!?! Would they really name Bush, Cheney, the dude from your church, etc??
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So, how many politicians have you met? I can't believe the number would be so high as to enable you to say that 99% of all politicians are twisted, sick people (by the way, the amount of sick twisted politicians is going down, you originally had the number of politicians that don't care about people at 100%).
Now, about that guy from my church...has he ever worked at a soup line? I do not know. But I do know that he cares about people...I see that in his daily life. I also know that he gives money to good causes. I don't know what volunteer work he has done or does at this moment. I know that he tells people about Christ. As for the other things, that's between himself and God. What is the standard that you have set for "caring about people"?
You know, I don't know how people who live in an impoverished life would answer the questions "Who has helped you?" I would suspect they would say a local minister or volunteer or family member. But what does that mean, if they don't say George W. Bush or Dick Cheney? Does that mean that those two don't car about people? how can you make that leap of logic? It doesn't follow.
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I know my statement is insulting. Thats what its intended to do. I dont mind insulting criminals, which most pols are, in one way or another.
So you named a few. So that still means, what, 99% of pols dont do shit for anyone other than themselves, and their friends.
99% is close enough for me to make a broad statement like that.
It's really too bad that you believe this. Hopefully something someday will make you change your mind. Your above statements (and your other comments on the subject) are as unfair and inaccurate as any racist comment. Maybe less offensive, or more acceptable in our society, but just as misguided. From your statements, I think it's safe for me to assume that I've talked to more politicians than you have, that I have known more of them personally as well. I've met some that seem like bad guys, rotten to the core. Seriously. But I'll tell you that in my experience they've been a very small minority, more so than the general population, probably. There are politicians out there that I can't stand, that I totally disagree with on most political issues, who I'm convinced care genuinely, as much as you or I, for the American people. I know I won't convice you that there are a ton of politician that care about people, but hopefully some day you'll take the time to meet some politicians, and I think your mind will be changed. I believe that the heart is more important than just actions, and you'll only get that through meeting someone, but if actions are what you are interested in, here's a handful of facts:
(some of this info is a few years old)
In 1995 alone, Rep. Pat Schroeder gave $35,000 to 30 Colorado charities.
Some members -- like Reps. Steve Largent, Jim Talent and Andrea Seastrand -- donate 5 percent to 10 percent of their income directly to needy individuals without taking a tax deduction.
Palmer House for Children in Columbus, Miss., the Country Life School in Piney Woods, Miss., the Baldwin House Soup Kitchen in Pontiac, Mich., the Burton Manor Seniors' Center in Livonia, Mich., the Queen of the Valley Hospital in West Covina, Calif., and the City of Hope in Duarte, Calif. -- these are some of the groups supported by Sen. Trent Lott and Reps. Joe Knollenberg and David Dreier.
Here's a quote from a politician made while he was stating his committment to push for a 50% increase in foreign aid from his government: "We cannot leave behind half of humanity as we seek a better future for ourselves. We cannot accept permanent poverty in a world of progress. There are no second-class citizens in the human race." Maybe the people receiving that aid won't give that politician credit when asked who made a positive difference in their lives, but that doesn't mean he didn't care about them.

Like Dano said earlier in this thread, we elect who we are. Some people care a lot about others, some people don't care much. I think you'll find that politicians are that way, as are teachers, steel-workers, CEO's, and homeless people.
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I stopped reading this around the time people started attacking each other as they often do in this place but Koby I've got to say THANK YOU!!! I love conspiracies, true or not, I think it is fascinating how stories can be made out of a few facts or comments. This conspiracy theory is indeed an interesting one!


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no thank you, U2LA one of the few people who seems to interested in the topic.

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miss mac you have made a sweeping generalization which i suggest you retract, unless you have already done so(my ability to skim this thread is severely retarded at this point).
i know politicians. not american ones, but canadians. are they criminals?
i was on student council, am i a criminal?
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So you named a few. So that still means, what, 99% of pols dont do shit for anyone other than themselves, and their friends.
99% is close enough for me to make a broad statement like that.
Let's see...allowing for rounding of percentages, you'd have to name 67 politicians, and demonstrate that 66 of them are crooked, for me to believe this statement.
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