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Old 12-20-2002, 07:14 PM   #41
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Salome,

In general I agree with certain things you recently said. Its true the USA does not look out for the entire international community in every instance, but it does do the bulk of the work in providing peace and security for several different regions of the world that are very important to European, Middle Eastern, and East Asian countries. These regions are all very important either directly or indirectly to the entire planet. So the USA's work in securing these area's can be seen as looking out for the planet.

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I do not know how many of the 2 Trillion dollars worth of goods and services that US consumers purchase from foreign owned companies and family businesses in foreign countries are sweat shops. Do you know how many sweat shops Canada has? US consumers buy a good chunk of stuff from Canada every year, so maybe you can tell us the Canadian companies that engage in these labor practices. If these labor practices are going, it is not the fault of US consumers like myself, but the Canadian government or any other government the allows this to occur on their own soil.

This is not about going to other countries to get products made! US consumers have every right to purchase goods and services made in a foreign country by foreign companies. There is nothing wrong if someone in my family prefers to buy a particular type of sock made by an Italian company rather than an American one. There is nothing wrong with purchasing U2 this Christmas rather than Creed. Foreign competition helps bring the price of all goods down for consumers in the USA and elsewhere. Its rather strange to suggest that US consumers like myself should not buy goods made by foreign companies if that is what we choose to do.

You can always make the claim that Anything the USA ever does for anyone else, even if it were to spend 10 times what it does on humanitarian aid, as acting in its own self interest. This line of cynicism does not end there, you could claim the only reason people are kind to others is because it benefits themselves in some way. I disagree.
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WASHINGTON - President Bush, preparing for a possible war with Iraq, on Friday postponed a planned trip to Africa next month, citing "domestic and international considerations."

"President Bush will reschedule his January 2003 trip to Africa until later in the year due to a combination of domestic and international considerations," the White House said in a statement.

A senior U.S. official said Bush was staying home to monitor the situation in Iraq as well as to begin work on his domestic agenda -- including outstanding spending bills -- with a new Senate majority leader.

The official said the postponement should not be taken as a step closer to war with Iraq, saying Washington remained committed to a "deliberative course" to carrying out its disarmament demands of Iraq.
Is it time to kick Bush out of the promise keepers?
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no, mr deep it is not..
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No sting i am saying that compainies like Nike and Gap that do not hide the fact they use child labour and sweat shops. There is no fighting you Sting. I give up, you are to stubborn, you dont give anyone any crdit and try to put everyones ideas that arent like your down. i dont want to fight with you anymore. Bye.
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Bonoman,

I'm not fighting anyone here, nor am I putting anyone down. I'm speaking out and defending my own thoughts. There is nothing wrong with people if they are not convinced by anothers thoughts or Idea's. Everyone here can agree to disagree. Free Your Mind is not a battlefield.

The fact that US companies like Nike or Gap use or have used sweatshops is a different issue from the fact that US consumers purchase nearly 2 Trillion dollars worth of goods from foreign consumers. You seemed to be combining the two as if they were the same, instead of starting a new topic. At least thats how I read it.
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you are to stubborn,
Should I request the moderators to warn you for this personal attack like you requested that they warn me after my exchange with ryxmyx last week? Honestly, I thought your response here was quite humorous.

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Arun and I have spoke about Bill Frist for months.
Arun and I have have chatted about the old Republican mindset, which keeps a lot of open-minded ppl afraid of the G.O. P.
Arun has always liked Senator Frist alot for a Republican.
This is truly the direction and minset of present day Republicanism ,believe it or not.
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Re: President Bush keeping his promise on way to Africa-

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Originally posted by diamond
Jan 10 2003.

Bono stated earlier he thought GW gives a shit about how the world sees Africa and wants the world to know America is concerned for Africa..

Bono also stated after GW's meeting w Bono in the Oval Office that he refered to the AIDS Crisis in Africa as genocide.
I think the reason Bush is going is because he is a decent human being..
Period.

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Was this before or after Dubya fired former Secretary of Treasury Paul H. O'Neill?
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I am reminded of the story in the New Testament about the Pharisee and the poor widow giving their offerings. The Pharisee gave more in terms of a monetary sum and was very proud of himself for being so holy, even though he was very rich and the amount was only a small percentage of his total wealth. The widow gave only 2 pennies, but it was all she had. Remember which one Jesus commended?

Food for thought.
Sula:

I do agree with the relevance of this passage on a personal level, but remember that the U.S. is sipposed to be a "secular" nation, and CERTAINLY should not base it's policymaking on Christian scripture. Foreign policy and aid are indeed included in that prohibition.

I view military aid as a form of foreign aid but I do not view it as a form of humanitarian aid. But that does not make military aid any less necessary, unfortunately. As nice as it would be to ensure world peace by simply distributing non-genetically engineered corn around the world and by giving 6-figure salaries and extensive benefits to factory workers in "third world" countries, I do not see it happening that easily. We need to make improvements in our foreign poicy and spending, "third world" governments need to make improvements in their internal and foreign policy, and everybody needs to voluntarily look out for their fellow human being because it's the right thing to do.

Also, I know that after I say this, everyone will just go right back to the U.S. military spending issue, but please remember that in order for the U.S. to boost foreign spending, the U.S. will have to make sacrifices in other areas. I do not see military spending facing significant cuts anytime soon, and you can blame that on the boys in Al Qaeda. If it was their intent, they need to re-think their method of encouragin the U.S. to increase international humanitarian aid. As far as cuts in other sectors of U.S. spending, please remember that government sub-agencies have multiplied like rabbits since FDR was President, and they are hungry rabbits at that. They consider their expanding budgets to be entitlements, and they scream very loud when their trough is threatened.

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Was this before or after Dubya fired former Secretary of Treasury Paul H. O'Neill?
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Should I request the moderators to warn you for this personal attack like you requested that they warn me after my exchange with ryxmyx last week? Honestly, I thought your response here was quite humorous.

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...and here a example for aid to Africa.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/st...857157,00.html



And sting2, do not forget to read the third link on the left side of that page. You can find a big example of the Dutch way to fight terror.
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The New Treasury Secretary has been on the phone w Bono immedeately after O'Neill's departure.

Apparently this administration is committed to the cause irregardless of what others may claim.

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The New Treasury Secretary has been on the phone w Bono immedeately after O'Neill's departure.

Apparently this administration is committed to the cause irregardless of what others may claim.

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Diamond, I'd love details. This is great news. Is there an article you might be able to post? Sounds like I need to write another letter for all the Angels to send!



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The New Treasury Secretary has been on the phone w Bono immedeately after O'Neill's departure.

Apparently this administration is committed to the cause irregardless of what others may claim.

God Bless-

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While it is unclear to the details of the conversation to prove that the administation is committed to the cause, when I read that the new Treasury Secretary called Bono I was pretty impressed and hopeful that you are right and they are committed.
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Diamond, I'd love details. This is great news. Is there an article you might be able to post? Sounds like I need to write another letter for all the Angels to send!



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Hi Cheryl, reference to the call is in this article:

http://forum2.interference.com/showt...threadid=70081

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Bono checks his voice mail. Twelve messages.

"Only the 12," he jokes.

There are business messages and personal messages. One from the Ghanaian children's choir, the Gateway Ambassadors, who had traveled with him on the DATA tour. They sang him a song and he held up the phone so the other people in the car could hear it. There were calls he'd forgotten to return, that one of his aides had returned for him.

"Oooh. The new Treasury secretary," Bono says, retrieving a message from U.S. Treasury Secretary-designate John Snow, who had just been appointed to replace Bono's friend, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill.
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Hi Cheryl, reference to the call is in this article:

http://forum2.interference.com/showt...threadid=70081

TY, Angel!

Yeah, definitely sounds like we wanna greet this guy with some letters! I'll write one and post it!

Thanks again!

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