'Plot to blow up planes' foiled

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trevster2k said:
I was thinking about other tactics and places terrorist could hide liquids. Why not under a false skin in plastic pouches? Our current security scans are looking for metal not hidden items on a person. Barring a physical search, it would probably go unseen. What if they inserted objects anally? What if they hid things inside a prosthetic limb if a person had one? What about hidden inside a hairpiece? There are so many ways which can fool our present systems. Although, technology is coming like in the above article which could prevent such attempts however the costs associated could make flying an extremely exclusive privilege.

If authorities discover plots which possibly use these methods, are we to expect anal cavity searches or will they force people who have prosthetic limbs or even wheelchairs to undergo scans? Such methods sound outrageous but I could see them considering it. Barring complete scans like in the article above, there are still holes in the security system.


I can't even begin to process stuff like this. Your post made me think of the new Transport Canada ads that are running, warning people of what's not acceptable to bring on board. It's all very sad to me, the fact that we've arrived at the point where terrorism is the new norm.
 
A HUSBAND and wife arrested in the British terror raids allegedly planned to take their six-month-old baby on a mid-air suicide mission.

Scotland Yard police are quizzing Abdula Ahmed Ali, 25, and his 23-year-old wife Cossor over suspicions they were to use their baby’s bottle to hide a liquid bomb.

The theory is one of the reasons security chiefs are now insisting mothers taste babies’ milk at check-in desks before allowing them to take bottles aboard flights.

The pair are among up to 23 suspects being questioned over a plot to bring down nine airliners over five US cities, killing thousands of people in the air and on the ground.
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Not cool
 
^ That is incomprehensible, but at the same time I am not really surprised. It makes me so sad to say that.

I like this column

By Jules Crittenden
Boston Herald City Editor
Sunday, August 13, 2006 - Updated: 07:07 PM EST

Do you know anyone whose Sept. 11 fears have returned? 
Someone with a sick feeling and a tightening of the chest, bordering on panic? 
Someone distraught or perhaps just withdrawn and distracted in the past few days?
What do you say to calm their fears? 
We drive each day on highways where the likelihood that a dumptruck will veer into our path far outstrips the possibility that we will find ourselves on an airplane targeted by terrorists. The chances that we will get it in any number of benign but equally deadly ways are exponentially higher than the chances that those who want to kill us will, in any given case, succeed.
Logic is irrelevant in combating these fears, as it is with children who fear monsters under the bed. This is not to disparage these fears. The threat is real. And while statistically remote, there is a factor that elevates terrorism beyond the many mundane fates we all dodge daily. It is the malice.
There are men out there who want us dead. This is undeniable. They want to see us all dead. Each and every one of us. They don’t know our names, they don’t know what our thoughts are about their grievances. They don’t know what our actions are and how we’ve lived our lives. They don’t care. They just want us dead.
I wish I had a sweet, comforting post-Sept. 11 lullaby to sing the ones I love to sleep when they experience fear of these evil men. But I don’t. Lullabies combat false monsters. Real monsters require something different.
Psalms, like lullabies, give comfort. But they don’t mask or deny the threat. They embrace it, and show the way to strength and ultimately comfort from within. What might a psalm say to anyone whose 9/11 fears have been reawakened 
Strong, ruthless men and women go long hours without sleep for you. They do everything they can to keep you safe. They are your shield. They will kill for you, and die for you.You can take comfort from that knowledge and draw strength from their example.
But that is not enough. There is something you have to find within yourself. It may be that one day, our shield will fail, and the insidious foe that operates from beyond our borders and even within them will penetrate that shield and kill some of us again.
You must decide for yourself that you will not let them deter you from your path. If they rise against you, you must be prepared to meet them. Prepared to be ruthless in defense of what you love. It may mean that you will die. We all do someday. As a friend of mine who knew what he was talking about once said, it’s not a matter of whether we will die, but how we will die. And when the time comes, the best we can hope for in this life, the one thing we might be able to control, is that we die well.
Each of us must look within ourselves for the strength that pushed the passengers of United Flight 93 forward against their hijackers on Sept. 11, in a successful if tragic assault that prevented further death and destruction.
We must look to the bravery of men such as Rick Rescorla, the British-American security executive and Vietnam war hero who shepherded thousands of people out of the World Trade Center but who stayed back himself with the last and ultimately died in the wreckage.
They are towering figures, but each of us has a little, just enough of that in us that we can draw on, to carry us through. We honor them by endeavoring to live up to their example. It begins by repeating to ourselves the words from which others have drawn comfort in time of war and peril for more than 2,500 years.
I will fear no evil.
 
by Deepak Chopra

www.intentblog.com

In the wake of the thwarted plot to explode bombs on flight from Britain to the U.S., several commentators echoed Pres. Bush's slogan that fighting terrorism is going to be a long war, the defining struggle of this generation. No one mentioned striving for a long peace with the Arab world, which will also take a generation.

The roots of terrorism are not insane. Real conditions gave rise to a huge disaffected segment of Muslims, mostly young and male. From northern Africa across the entire Middle East to Pakistan, there has been a population boom without much hope that any child will receive adequate education, except in the Koran, or adequate work. The governments are either militaristic or dominated by reactionary royal families.

In other words, terrorism grew out of poverty, ignorance, and a sense of hopelessness about the future. Hating America and Israel is also complex, but these other factors made a huge contribution. Therefore, since Islam isn't going to change, and since this new wave of the dispossessed isn't going away, the West has two choices. We can keep supporting the conditions that inflame radical Islam, or we can move positively to bring the Muslim world into a global alliance.

Terrorism is global because national boundaries don't hold back anger and hopelessness anymore. Unlike Communism, terrorism can't be contained. To win a long peace will be difficult because of the deep roots of the problem. But we make it more difficult by being militaristic, by supporting reactionary regimes, by making oil the centerpiece of our foreign policy in the Middle East, by engendering bogeyman hatred of Arabs, and by refusing to see that peace is achievable without annihilating the enemy. The administration's attitude that only total victory is acceptable amounts to saying that every radicalized Muslim male must be killed or neutralized. The war between Israel and Hezbollah is quickly dismantling that fantasy.

The time is dark right now, and a new scare like the airline bombing plot galvanizes fear and anger. But retaliation isn't going to work in the long run. Our only alternative is the long peace, and we have to hope that this idea begins to take root soon, or else we will be trapped in an endless cycle of attack and response just as we are today.
 
Make no mistake, the terrorists are well aware of all the loopholes and have been for some time. This is all old news to them.

By Scot Lehigh, Boston Globe Columnist | August 15, 2006

Last week provided not just a welcome counterterrorism success, but a wake-up call as well.

Smart intelligence work averted a terrorist plot that could have resulted in mind-numbing horror.

But with the thwarted scheme reminding everyone yet again of the peril from implacable foes, it's time to plug the remaining gaps in airport security, for this plot shows that current measures haven't deterred terrorists' hopes of targeting passenger planes. Instead, it has them searching for ways around security procedures.

It's notable that the liquid-explosives idea is not a new one. Indeed, back in January 1995, Al Qaeda had plans to use liquid bombs to target 12 jetliners over the Pacific. That plot was discovered after a fire led authorities to the plotters' Manila apartment-turned-bomb-factory.

Yet until last week, our airline security had not adjusted to deter a scheme based on a liquid bomb assembled aboard a plane.

It's high time to address other vulnerabilities in our security system as well.

Airports have worked hard to make sure that, in addition to carry-ons, all checked bags are now screened. There, Logan Airport has done admirably. It became the first major US airport to have an in-line system that automatically routes checked baggage to screening rooms.

But one well-known hole in security is the cargo shipped in the belly of passenger airliners, only a fraction of which is screened.

``Cargo is the last big gap in airport security," says Thomas Keane, chairman of the 9/11 Commission.

Under federal regulations, so called ``known shippers" -- established companies that regularly ship freight -- are allowed to send unscreened cargo on airlines. That program is meant to ensure that cargo comes from reputable firms that have filled out necessary paperwork, but ``on the other hand, they [the Transportation Security Administration] have no idea who packed it, or who you have hired in the last six months in your plant to do the work," points out US Representative Edward Markey, the third-ranking Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee. ``They are depending on you having security in your facility."

And there's another troubling loophole. Packages that weigh under 16 ounces can be shipped without even filling out any paperwork, Markey says. ``It is just, `Give us the money and you can put it on,' " the Seventh District congressman says.

The plastic explosives that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 weighed less than 16 ounces, says Markey, as did the explosive that shoebomber Richard Reid had in his sneakers in his December 2001 attempt to bring down American Airlines Flight 63.

It makes little sense to have mounted a major effort to screen all passenger bags but to continue to allow unscreened cargo to be loaded on the same plane -- cargo that, if small enough, doesn't even require paperwork identifying the shipper.

So why hasn't that happened?

The principal reason is that the federal government doesn't require it. The Bush administration, like the airlines themselves and the cargo-shipping companies, opposes such a mandate, mainly because of cost concerns.

It's not that there is no examination of airline cargo. Random screening is done, even on small packages, the transportation agency says. Still, almost all of the 6 billion pounds of cargo shipped each year on passenger airliners goes unscreened, says Markey.

Without a federal mandate, the system clearly has a serious weakness.

Meanwhile, airlines are reluctant to move beyond the letter of the law, analysts say, because by doing so they might assume responsibility they otherwise wouldn't have.

``If an airline says, `we are going to 100 percent check all of our air cargo,' and there is no federal mandate or standard, they assume a liability they don't currently have," says one airport security specialist.


We clearly need federal action here. Markey has introduced legislation to require that, within three years, all such cargo be screened.

Yes, it would cost more, but this is no time to be pennywise and pound foolish.

And actually, estimates aren't that bad: perhaps $10 billion to set up cargo screening at airports nationwide, and then $1.5 billion or so a year to operate it, Markey's office says. Some other nations, such as Israel, Great Britain, Singapore, and the Netherlands, screen all or most of airline cargo.

With the United States a primary focus of Islamic extremists' ire, it's time that we followed their lead.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1676096&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

March 2, 2006 — Pakistani officials told ABC News that they believe they have indications that a new terrorist attack against the United States is being planned there. They told ABC News that while their intelligence does not give any specific details as to a target or time, it does indicate that an emerging al Qaeda figure is making plans.

Pakistani military officials say Matiur Rehman, 29, a Pakistani militant, is behind the new plans for an attack against the United States. Pakistan has posted a 10-million rupee (about $166,000) award for his capture.

"He is probably Pakistan's most wanted right now," says Alexis Debat, a former adviser in the French defense ministry and now an ABC News consultant. "He is extremely dangerous because of his role as the crucial interface between the brains of al Qaeda and its muscle, which is mainly composed these days of Pakistani militants."
 
INDY500 said:
Imagine the screening machinery we could have developed by now with the $300 Billion we've spent in Iraq.

Yes:

The government's new order that all airline passengers put their shoes through X-ray machines won't help screeners find a liquid or gel that can be used as a bomb.

The machines are unable to detect explosives, according to a
Homeland Security report on aviation screening recently obtained by The Associated Press.

Yahoo.
 
silja said:


Islamic extremism surely hurts the good name of Islam but what’s hurting Islam even more is the constant linking between terrorism and Muslims in general.
This is the only point you made in that entire post that I disagree with.

Why's the spotlight put on those who define the enemy openly and honestly, rather than the creeps who believe that God wants them to strap bombs and cowardly hide behind women and children among the civilian population?

Be assured that I know you take it very seriously, as well as myself. I know it offends people when the question arises - how often are these acts committed by "infidels"? But it remains a valid question if you are serious about an open debate.

The voice of anti-terrorism within the Islamic community is relatively silent as a whole. England just recently had a bunch of Islamic religious leaders blame Tony Blair for the destruction that the fascists caused. Worse yet, we have a bunch of appeasers everywhere you turn that don't take terrorism seriously.

When we fail to define our enemies, they have the undeserved privelidge of hiding among the civilian population, while 80 year old white women are being searched. Not very smart.

Too often, we blame those who condemn the violence, rather than those who commit it. This post is a great example of that.
 
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Macfistowannabe said:
This is the only point you made in that entire post that I disagree with.

Why's the spotlight put on those who define the enemy openly and honestly, rather than the creeps who believe that God wants them to strap bombs and cowardly hide behind women and children among the civilian population?

Be assured that I know you take it very seriously, as well as myself. I know it offends people when the question arises - how often are these acts committed by "infidels"? But it remains a valid question if you are serious about an open debate.

The voice of anti-terrorism within the Islamic community is relatively silent as a whole. England just recently had a bunch of Islamic religious leaders blame Tony Blair for the destruction that the fascists caused. Worse yet, we have a bunch of appeasers everywhere you turn that don't take terrorism seriously.

When we fail to define our enemies, they have the undeserved privelidge of hiding among the civilian population, while 80 year old white women are being searched. Not very smart.

Too often, we blame those who condemn the violence, rather than those who commit it. This post is a great example of that.

This has almost nothing to do with the line you quoted.

Are you saying there is nothing wrong with linking terrorism and Muslims in general?
 
MrsSpringsteen said:


By Scot Lehigh, Boston Globe Columnist | August 15, 2006

COLUMNIST usually means OPINION.

yes..16 ounces of PLASTICS were used by Richard Reed...but you still need something to set it off. How are you going to do that in a package under 16 ounces?

I bring up the COLUMNIST thing because it is not very factual. Shipments from "Known Shippers" are still screened. He also uses the same quotes that I debunked in an earlier post. :shrug:

If it is randomly screened, how would a terrorist know if the one package that has the planted explosive is not part of what is screened? The "known shippers" have hiring requirements, similar to airlines, that are fairly strict, and are often audited by the federal government.

Sounds like a columnist not doing their homework...
 
anitram said:


What would stop anyone from just saying they're Jewish to be classified as low-risk?

I was stuck watchin Glen Beck (I think that is his name) on CNN tonight. He mentioned how he flew on El Al and they had some pretty deep quetions. El Al trains their own security folks for six months before ever going in front of a passenger. They have about 100 "openers"/questions to start. Then they go from there.

He said that he was questioned for more than an hour before being allowed to board.

El Al has not had an incident in more than 35 years!

I think a "registered traveler" program is needed.
 
I know what a columnist is, there's no need to type in all caps and be condescending or insulting in that way. Yes he is a columnist, but that doesn't automatically mean his facts are wrong. Here's his e-mail address, you can discuss it with him if you wish

lehigh@globe.com

Ed Markey certainly has done his homework, here's his web site

http://markey.house.gov/

I'm sure both might have personal biases, but neither one works for an airline and thus has a vested interest in that respect. Just as I don't automatically believe what Ed or Scot say, I don't automatically believe what someone who works for an airline says either. But I do tend to believe that people like Ed Markey (who is the main focus of the column) and Thomas Keane, the chairman of the 9/11 Commission, are highly educated on the subject.
 
BonoVoxSupastar said:
This has almost nothing to do with the line you quoted.
Yes it does. I disagree that it's "more dangerous" that many find a link between Islam and terror, than the psychopaths who murder thousands of innocent people every year.

BonoVoxSupastar said:
Are you saying there is nothing wrong with linking terrorism and Muslims in general?
99% of the world's population understands that most muslims are not terrorists. But seemingly very few are willing to even admit that almost all terrorist attacks are committed by muslim extremists. This is why many who understand that THIS attack was not an isolated incident, and why many - rather than blame poverty altogether as the root cause - question the merits of the religion of peace when many followers have defined it to be the exact opposite.

We are not in on a War On "Terror" - although maybe we should be. It is not radical muslims alone that contribute threats to Western civilization. Hugo Chavez has their back, and who knows what Kim Jong Il is thinking. He's certainly not fond of democracy.

The problem is not entirely Osama bin Laden, but the millions who echo his hatred of infidels. If we find him, great. But the mission will not be accomplished unless we destroy the Islamofascist Movement altogether.

But tell me that no muslims misinterpret this religious proverb:
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." (Koran 8:12)

Go ahead and roll your eyes and turn a blind eye of ignorance. But we need more Muslims like this to admit that the fanaticism is a direct result of those who have perverted a religious faith:

"It is a certain fact that not all muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are muslims."
- Abdel Rahman Al Rashed
Manager of Al-Arabiya (news channel)

"Muslims must look inward to put a stop to many of our religious leaders who spend most of their sermons teaching hatred, intolerance, and violent jihad. We should not be afraid to admit that... so many of our religious leaders belong behind bars and not behind a pulpit."
- The Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism
 
things are getting a little bit weirder. let's consider the following:

1. no one has yet to be charged in the plot
2. no evidence yet to support the plot itself
3. in the UK, suspects can be held for 28 days without being charged
4. all those arrested were under surveillance for a year or so

Craig Murray, the UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, has this to say:


[q]None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth ...

We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why?

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html

[/q]



which begs the question -- have we been given bad/fanciful/fantastical information gleaned through torture?

the skepticism mounts.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
I know what a columnist is, there's no need to type in all caps and be condescending or insulting in that way. Yes he is a columnist, but that doesn't automatically mean his facts are wrong. Here's his e-mail address, you can discuss it with him if you wish

lehigh@globe.com

Ed Markey certainly has done his homework, here's his web site

http://markey.house.gov/

I'm sure both might have personal biases, but neither one works for an airline and thus has a vested interest in that respect. Just as I don't automatically believe what Ed or Scot say, I don't automatically believe what someone who works for an airline says either. But I do tend to believe that people like Ed Markey (who is the main focus of the column) and Thomas Keane, the chairman of the 9/11 Commission, are highly educated on the subject.

I guess I do not understand the point of you posting the articles then. If they are for point of reference...I am sure we as educated consumers of the Internet can go find news articles ourselves.

If it is to prove a point...be ready for some criticism!

Keane had nothing more than a quote in that column, by the way.

I do not doubt the fact the feel they (Keane and Markey) are educated. I am on the frontline daily dealing with the regulations though.
 
There are articles posted here all the time, I don't have to defend that to you zoney, honestly really I don't. And your insult/sarcasm isn't required either. You've done it here before, par for the course I guess. Yes it was to prove a point that perhaps you don't know everything about the airline industry and what is really going on just because you work in it. Perhaps you should be ready for some criticism re the fact that your experience in the airline industry isn't truly indicative of what is/might be actually going on. You do come across as if you feel that way, whether it is your intention or not. Your opinion and experience can't and doesn't dispel or debunk anything in these articles-sorry, it doesn't for me.

I would never presume that the stated policies the company I work for are always carried out, I know for a fact they aren't. Any industry wants to portray itself in the best light possible, including yours-especially these days. And I would suggest that one airline's stated policy, even if followed to the letter, doesn't represent all airlines and their policies.

Tom Keane was the chairman of the 9/11 commission, regardless of the one quote I would still venture a guess that it's possible that he knows more than you do about the issue.
 
MrsSpringsteen said:
There are articles posted here all the time, I don't have to defend that to you zoney, honestly really I don't. And your insult/sarcasm isn't required either. You've done it here before, par for the course I guess. Yes it was to prove a point that perhaps you don't know everything about the airline industry and what is really going on just because you work in it. Perhaps you should be ready for some criticism re the fact that your experience in the airline industry isn't truly indicative of what is/might be actually going on. You do come across as if you feel that way, whether it is your intention or not. Your opinion and experience can't and doesn't dispel or debunk anything in these articles-sorry, it doesn't for me.

I would never presume that the stated policies the company I work for are always carried out, I know for a fact they aren't. Any industry wants to portray itself in the best light possible, including yours-especially these days. And I would suggest that one airline's stated policy, even if followed to the letter, doesn't represent all airlines and their policies.

Tom Keane was the chairman of the 9/11 commission, regardless of the one quote I would still venture a guess that it's possible that he knows more than you do about the issue.

The funny thing is, you haven't proved ANYTHING with the opinion piece you published! But I guess you believe everything you read to be factual.

Bottom line - there ARE holes in the TSA program...If a terrorist is interested in doing something, they are going to find a way. They need to focus on intelligence and passenger screening systems - not cargo. There are far more opportunities via passenger airliners over cargo shipments.

And Tom Keane was my governor loooong before 9/11.

If you take this as an insult...be more prepared next time. Again, I am IN IT every day, dealing with the constat changing culture of security.

You are posting opinion pieces with old quotes. You are trying to counter something I deal with on a daily basis with articles with "attention grabbing" quotes from politicians. :shrug:
 
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zoney! said:
But I guess you believe everything you read to be factual.

If you take this as an insult...be more prepared next time.
There's no need to be rude. You can explain that on the basis of experience, you disagree with an article's analysis, without insulting the intelligence of the person who posted it. Probably half the discussions in FYM start with and/or evolve through the posting of articles, and it often happens that someone disgrees completely with an article on the basis of their own privileged acquaintance with the subject. You are not unique in this regard and it doesn't justify ridiculing another poster.
 
Yes indeed, and is that supposed to be some sort of threat? Sorry, you don't intimidate me in any way if that's your goal. And your manner of posting, and your snide comments, are what is truly insulting-and uncalled for. Be better prepared? For what, for you to question anything and everything I (or anyone) might post here that is airline related because of course your experience is defining? And for you to use that experience as a factual argument?

There are teachers here who don't react in such a way when anyone in FYM discusses a teacher-related issue, just to give one example. Or when anyone "dares" to suggest that their experience isn't indicative of absolute truth and superior knowledge-in fact, quite the opposite in my experience.

You haven't proven anything with your experience on a daily basis either. Bottom line is, it is just that-your experience, which I would contend is at the very least biased by your job. Defensiveness is no excuse for rudeness, and doesn't mean you have superior knowledge either. I would never claim to have superior knowledge regarding any related subject by virtue of my daily work experience.

The information that exists outside your work experience is available to any "educated consumer". I don't believe everything I read to be factual-but honestly I don't have to, and don't, take anything you say to be factual either-because you say it or claim it to be true, or for any other reason. And I certainly don't take corporate policy, or what anyone might claim that policy is or how it is allegedly carried out, at face value either. No matter how many times you bring up your experience, that is still going to be the case.
 
I obviously cannot argue with you. You post articles and I have day-to-day experience.

Believe whatever you want!

Ignorance is bliss!
 
The plot to blow up planes may have been foiled, but it's looking more and more like the terrorists have won:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401419&in_page_id=1770

Mutiny as passengers refuse to fly until Asians are removed
Passengers refuse to allow holiday jet to take off until two Asian men are thrown off plane


By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE and ANDREW CHAPMAN

12:08pm 20th August 2006

"British holidaymakers staged an unprecedented mutiny - refusing to allow their flight to take off until two men they feared were terrorists were forcibly removed.

"The extraordinary scenes happened after some of the 150 passengers on a Malaga-Manchester flight overheard two men of Asian appearance apparently talking Arabic."
 
zoney! said:
I obviously cannot argue with you. You post articles and I have day-to-day experience.

Believe whatever you want!

Clarification:

My job gives me access to "Sensitive Security Information." If I could truly sit there and quote Security Directives, I would...but I value my job and choose not to lose it proving your "articles" are wrong. So, you could tell me I am wrong all you want...and I can tell you the articles are not factual, but I cannot support my argument without losing my job. :shrug:

As for the education profession vs. my job:

There is a lot of "grey area" in teaching. A teaching style or what defines a good teacher or education program is really different for every individual child. There is a lot of valuable debate on either side.

There is very little "grey area" to a federal set of regulations you must follow as an airline for security purposes.
 
I really don't care honestly what secret or sensitive info you say you know, I do believe Ed Markey and other folks know things too. But I do care that in your zeal to defend your industry, you think you can insult and malign my intelligence and do so in such a rude way. I suggest you refrain from doing that, because I would put mine up against yours anyday-and it might even be superior. One never knows about that. It is rude and uncalled for. Might even be considered a violation of the guidelines for behavior on Interference, I would think. And I for one tend to completely tune out someone who does that, in my everyday life and on here.

Regulations vs how they are followed, I have already discussed that. And there are certainly plenty of regulations in teaching. And I will repeat-what your airline may or may not do is one airline among many.
 
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unbelievable.

I am still confused...are you insulted because I claim you post articles?

:shrug:

I think you are misguided in my attempts to show you that some of the articles (much like you have done in the past...read: history of doing this) provide little insight to what is actually going on. You are taking insult to the fact that I have first-hand knowledge that the information in these articles contain false information.

You are taking offense to the fact that I am telling you that a politician is not telling the complete truth (another fairly common practice).

If this insults you...do not post articles as your main voice on Interference.com.

:shrug:

And I am SURE you can prove to me that whatever industry you are in is superior to mine...I am not sure on what basis you would judge that on...but I am confident you can find some way to do it!
 
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No, I think she's insulted because of remarks like
I guess you believe everything you read to be factual.
and
Believe whatever you want!

Ignorance is bliss!
You insulted randhail earlier in the thread in the same way:
I guess my DAILY experience with airliners has been overshadowed in your mind by "world Net Daily" (whatever that is!).

That's fine. I guess World net daily is more reliable than me.

But you can quote WORLD NET DAILY all you want!
No one is obliged to agree with you in any event, and they're far less likely to do so when you phrase your replies in this way. Again, you can make a case that on the basis of professional experience with the topic you disagree (and intend to keep doing so), without insulting the intelligence of other posters. Not unprecedented around here, and not difficult either. You can consider this a warning.

If either of you want to continue pressing the matter, then you can email me. I think the thread has been derailed enough at this point.
 
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