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Record of Iraq War Lies to Air April 25 on PBS
By David Swanson
t r u t h o u t | Guest Columnist
Thursday 12 April 2007
Bill Moyers has put together an amazing 90-minute video documenting the lies that the Bush administration told to sell the Iraq war to the American public, with a special focus on how the media led the charge. I've watched an advance copy and read a transcript, and the most important thing I can say about it is: Watch PBS from 9:00 to 10:30 PM on Wednesday, April 25. Spending that 90 minutes will actually save you time because you'll never watch television news again - not even on PBS, which comes in for its own share of criticism.
While a great many pundits, not to mention presidents, look remarkably stupid or dishonest in the four-year-old clips included in "Buying the War," it's hard to take any spiteful pleasure in holding them to account, and not just because the killing and dying they facilitated is ongoing, but also because of what this video reveals about the mindset of members of the DC media. Moyers interviews media personalities, including Dan Rather, who clearly both understand what the media did wrong and are unable to really see it as having been wrong or avoidable.
It's great to see an American media outlet tell this story so well, but it leads one to ask: When will Congress tell it? While the Democrats were in the minority, they clamored for hearings and investigations, they pushed Resolutions of Inquiry into the White House Iraq Group and the Downing Street Minutes. Now in the majority, they've gone largely silent. The chief exception is the House Judiciary Committee's effort to question Condoleezza Rice next week about the forged Niger documents.
But what comes out of watching this show is a powerful realization that no investigation is needed by Congress, just as no hidden information was needed for the media to get the story right in the first place. The claims that the White House made were not honest mistakes. But neither were they deceptions. They were transparent and laughably absurd falsehoods. And they were high crimes and misdemeanors.
The program opens with video of President Bush saying "Iraq is part of a war on terror. It's a country that trains terrorists. It's a country that can arm terrorists. Saddam Hussein and his weapons are a direct threat to this country."
Was that believable or did the media play along? The next shot is of a press conference at which Bush announces that he has a script telling him which reporters to call on and in what order. Yet the reporters play along, raising their hands after each comment, pretending that they might be called on despite the script.
Video shows Richard Perle claiming that Saddam Hussein worked with al Qaeda and that Iraqis would greet American occupiers as liberators. Here are the Weekly Standard, The Wall Street Journal, William Safire from The New York Times, Charles Krauthammer and Jim Hoagland from The Washington Post, all demanding an overthrow of Iraq's government. George Will is seen saying that Hussein "has anthrax, he loves biological weapons, he has terrorist training camps, including 747s to practice on."
But was that even plausible? Bob Simon of "60 Minutes" tells Moyers he wasn't buying it. He says he saw the idea of a connection between Hussein and al Qaeda as an absurdity: "Saddam, as most tyrants, was a total control freak. He wanted total control of his regime. Total control of the country. And to introduce a wild card like al Qaeda in any sense was just something he would not do. So I just didn't believe it for an instant."
Knight Ridder Bureau Chief John Walcott didn't buy it either. He assigned Warren Strobel and Jonathan Landay to do the reporting and they found the Bush claims to be quite apparently false. For example, when the Iraqi National Congress (INC) fed The New York Times's Judith Miller a story through an Iraqi defector claiming that Hussein had chemical and biological weapons labs under his house, Landay noticed that the source was a Kurd, making it very unlikely he would have learned such secrets. But Landay also noticed that it was absurd to imagine someone putting a biological weapons lab under his house.
But absurd announcements were the order of the day. A video clip shows a Fox anchor saying, "A former top Iraqi nuclear scientist tells Congress Iraq could build three nuclear bombs by 2005." And the most fantastic stories of all were fed to David Rose at Vanity Fair Magazine. We see a clip of him saying, "The last training exercise was to blow up a full-size mock-up of a US destroyer in a lake in central Iraq."
Landay comments: "Or jumping into pits of fouled water and having to kill a dog with your bare teeth. I mean, this was coming from people who are appearing in all of these stories, and sometimes their rank would change."
Forged documents from Niger could not have gotten noticed in this stew of lies. Had there been some real documents honestly showing something, that might have stood out and caught more eyes. Walcott describes the way the INC would feed the same information to the vice president and secretary of defense that it fed to a reporter, and the reporter would then get the claims confirmed by calling the White House or the Pentagon. Landay adds: "And let's not forget how close these people were to this administration, which raises the question, was there coordination? I can't tell you that there was, but it sure looked like it."
Simon from "60 Minutes" tells Moyers that when the White House claimed a 9/11 hijacker had met with a representative of the Iraqi government in Prague, "60 Minutes" was easily able to make a few calls and find out that there was no evidence for the claim. "If we had combed Prague," he says, "and found out that there was absolutely no evidence for a meeting between Mohammad Atta and the Iraqi intelligence figure. If we knew that, you had to figure the administration knew it. And yet they were selling the connection between al Qaeda and Saddam."
Moyers questions a number of people about their awful work, including Dan Rather, Peter Beinart and then Chairman and CEO of CNN Walter Isaacson. And he questions Simon, who soft-pedaled the story and avoided reporting that there was no evidence.
Landay at Knight Ridder did report the facts when it counted, but not enough people paid attention. He tells Moyers that all he had to do was read the UN weapons inspectors' reports online to know that the White House was lying to us. When Cheney said that Hussein was close to acquiring nuclear weapons, Landay knew he was lying: "You need tens of thousands of machines called 'centrifuges' to produce highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon. You've got to house those in a fairly big place, and you've got to provide a huge amount of power to this facility."
Moyers also hits Tim Russert with a couple of tough questions. Russert expressed regret for not having included any skeptical voices by saying he wished his phone had rung. So Moyers begins the next segment by saying, "Bob Simon didn't wait for the phone to ring," and describing Simon's reporting. Simon says he knew the claims about aluminum tubes were false because "60 Minutes" called up some scientists and researchers and asked them. Howard Kurtz of The Washington Post says that skeptical stories did not get placed on the front page because they were not "definitive."
Moyers shows brief segments of an "Oprah" show in which she has on only pro-war guests and silences a caller who questions some of the White House claims. Just in time for the eternal election season, Moyers includes clips of Hillary Clinton and John Kerry backing the war on the basis of Bush and Cheney's lies. But we also see clips of Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy getting it right.
The Washington Post editorialized in favor of the war 27 times, and published in 2002 about 1,000 articles and columns on the war. But the Post gave a huge anti-war march a total of 36 words. "What got even less ink," Moyers says, "was the release of the National Intelligence Estimate." Even the misleading partial version that the media received failed to fool a careful eye.
Landay recalls: "It said that the majority of analysts believed that those tubes were for the nuclear weapons program. It turns out though, that the majority of intelligence analysts had no background in nuclear weapons." Was Landay the only one capable of noticing this detail?
Colin Powell's UN presentation comes in for similar quick debunking. We watch a video clip of Powell complaining that Iraq has covered a test-stand with a roof. But AP reporter Charles Hanley comments, "What he neglected to mention was that the inspectors were underneath watching what was going on."
Powell cited a UK paper, but it very quickly came out that the paper had been plagiarized from a college student's work found online. The British press pointed that out. The US let it slide. But anyone looking for the facts found it quickly.
Moyers's wonderful movie is marred by a single line - the next to the last sentence - in which he says, "The number of Iraqis killed, over 35,000 last year alone, is hard to pin down." A far more accurate figure could have been found very easily.
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This article by David Swanson was first published at http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/21146.
 
Jeannieco said:
:cool: Should be good!

Well, good in the sense it reveals all the problems leading to the selling of the war.

I think the bottom line was fear of being labeled a traitor or non-patriot. The network heads probably feared losing money if branded that way by the White House.

As a Canadian, I never had that concern, he's not my president, actually I don't feel that way about the Prime Minister either. I'm a skeptical SOB. :wink: I even printed off a copy of the PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses to share with people before the war.
 
Well, it's a good thing that it's airing on Wednesday...I wonder if 72 hours will be enough time for Bush and Co to have the thing yanked and all copies destroyed. THis program is no doubt Moyer's outraged reply to PBS being hacked into by Richard Perle and HIS doc (ooooh, those big bad anti war protesters!)

Considering how litte time it took to get a 30-yr behmoth like Imus off the air (even if what he said was wrong, you have to marvel at how QUICKLY and effeciently the media and politicians can get something done IF they are stirred to action--if only that level of madia saturation and outrage was given to Africa, as Bono would say. Let alone 32 death versus 6000+ every day...we've heard it all before...)

If this program actually makes it on the air in its origional form, if at all, and Bill Moyers is not put inot pariah status like Imus (for in Bush's mind he's as big a sinner) it will be a triumph for democracy. *Anxiously crosses fingers*
 
He'd be only the tip of the iceberg, Martha....and anyway, in the long run, unless we are prepared for WWIII, we are bound to leave.

I am only angry it won't be Bush but a future Presdient who will have to have the burden of coming clean and telling the American people the couple of rason why we are REALLY there. They'll see just how much of a disaterous distraction from the destruction of the Future Caliphate Iraq really was. (Yes, I know what is at stake).
 
trevster2k said:


Well, good in the sense it reveals all the problems leading to the selling of the war.

I think the bottom line was fear of being labeled a traitor or non-patriot. The network heads probably feared losing money if branded that way by the White House.

As a Canadian, I never had that concern, he's not my president, actually I don't feel that way about the Prime Minister either. I'm a skeptical SOB. :wink: I even printed off a copy of the PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses to share with people before the war.

More power to you! Way to go!
I know what you mean about the traitor label. I marched on Washington DC on innauguration day in 2004 and again last spring in NYC. I have protested quietly in my own way from day 1. My brother, through his line of work, knows some of the weapons inspectors and knew long before they started beating the war drums that there weren't any WMD's. As you all know anybody who provided evidence to the contrary was black-balled or fired.
BTW, I don't consider him my President and I am an American! :) I didn't vote for him twice and I cried when the Supreme Court gave him the most powerful seat in the world. I knew in my gut that he was bad news and I even told my family and friends he was going to ruin our country. Look what happened.
I refuse to give up on my country though. My family has given 2 lives in WWII, so it's not that I am not patriotic, to the contrary! I protest because I care so much!
anyway... sorry for the tangent!
 
Teta040 said:
Well, it's a good thing that it's airing on Wednesday...I wonder if 72 hours will be enough time for Bush and Co to have the thing yanked and all copies destroyed. THis program is no doubt Moyer's outraged reply to PBS being hacked into by Richard Perle and HIS doc (ooooh, those big bad anti war protesters!)

Considering how litte time it took to get a 30-yr behmoth like Imus off the air (even if what he said was wrong, you have to marvel at how QUICKLY and effeciently the media and politicians can get something done IF they are stirred to action--if only that level of madia saturation and outrage was given to Africa, as Bono would say. Let alone 32 death versus 6000+ every day...we've heard it all before...)

If this program actually makes it on the air in its origional form, if at all, and Bill Moyers is not put inot pariah status like Imus (for in Bush's mind he's as big a sinner) it will be a triumph for democracy. *Anxiously crosses fingers*

I wouldn't worry. Nobody to the right of Hillary takes this guy seriously. He's about one notch less looney than Michael Moore. Another PBS program, "America at a Crossroads" - was educational and objective.
 
Come on now, Bill Moyers, member of the Kennedy White House is just above Michael Moore?

:huh:
 
AEON said:


I wouldn't worry. Nobody to the right of Hillary takes this guy seriously. He's about one notch less looney than Michael Moore. Another PBS program, "America at a Crossroads" - was educational and objective.

Where do you get this shit?:huh:
 
Bill Moyers may be the only sensible voice of reason in the entire US media. I will definitely be setting my DVR to tape this.
 
sulawesigirl4 said:
Bill Moyers may be the only sensible voice of reason in the entire US media. I will definitely be setting my DVR to tape this.

Took the words right out of my mouth. :up:
 
AEON said:


I wouldn't worry. Nobody to the right of Hillary takes this guy seriously. He's about one notch less looney than Michael Moore. Another PBS program, "America at a Crossroads" - was educational and objective.

:lol:


I mean, c'mon! You usually appear to at least put some reasoned thought into your comments, but this one is so out there it's just plain funny.
 
Diemen said:


:lol:


I mean, c'mon! You usually appear to at least put some reasoned thought into your comments, but this one is so out there it's just plain funny.

Post a list of his documentaries. There is no way this is some sort of "neutral" voice.
 
I never claimed he was perfectly neutral. But to say "nobody right of Hillary takes him seriously" and cast him in a similar light to Michael Moore is absurd. I'm tempted to add "and you know that," but I'm not quite sure if it applies.
 
Perhaps comparing him to Michael Moore was bit of a hyperbole - however, I will stand by my assertion that the Right doesn't take him seriously. I did appreciate the "Power of Myth" though (more because of Joseph Campbell).

This man is accusing the press of being too Conservative and a tool for the Right - I haven't even heard the most adamant Liberals in Northern California come up with this sort of nonsense.
 
AEON said:
This man is accusing the press of being too Conservative and a tool for the Right - I haven't even heard the most adamant Liberals in Northern California come up with this sort of nonsense.



i work in media, i know journalists, and i've been saying this for years.

it's not so much that the networks are made up of conservatives -- and most people who work in news are not social conservatives, though you'd be surprised at how social liberals get fiscially conservative once they start making 6 figures -- or liberals, for that matter.

the overall effect of the news clearly slants conservative for a variety of reasons. the news is, first and foremost, pro-corporation, since it is itself a corproation and since corporations advertise on the networks. secondly, there's been so much hand-wringing over the news having a "liberal" bias -- which Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, has even admitted was a fabrication, little more than "working the refs" -- that there's been an overcompensation to remove the appearance of bias. this is why networks have to present some sort of equivocation between, say, Evolution and Intelligent Design, or they try to present the "other side" of Global Warming. in truth, these are not two sides of an issue with equal merit, but the effect, due to the fear of the perception of bias, is to present the two as somehow worthy of equal time.

also, all of the major networks, CNN, and MSNBC are very centrist in their views -- sensationalist, too, but that's another issue -- as are the major newspapers. sure, you might get a liberal-leaning editorial in the NYT, but that does not influence the reporting (and let's not forget that Judy Miller, a star at the NYT, was tantamount to a mouthpiece for the administration in 2002/3). however, you do have clearly right-leaning newspapers and news outlets, such as Fox News, the Washington Times, etc. simply because the right-wing has certain news outlets in their back pocket does not mean that the left-wing has the same. they don't. most of what is derided as left-wing is as centrist as can be, but the presence of a large, well-funded, well-organized right wing media has the effect of pulling everything to the right.

this is, again, why i think the best possible news out there comes from PBS and NPR. they are funded by taxpayers and are thusly beholden to neither corporations nor ratings. journalists are allowed to be journalists.
 
AEON said:
Perhaps comparing him to Michael Moore was bit of a hyperbole - however, I will stand by my assertion that the Right doesn't take him seriously.

This may be true in your circle of the far right, but it's not true for anyone "right of Hillary". I know several conservative friends who've appreciated some of his work.



AEON said:

This man is accusing the press of being too Conservative and a tool for the Right - I haven't even heard the most adamant Liberals in Northern California come up with this sort of nonsense.

I do agree with this to a point. That's why I always get a kick out of someone who claims the media is liberal.
 
I do not think the press has to be neutral. They have to be truthful, and if the facts point in one direction so be it.
 
Dreadsox said:
I do not think the press has to be neutral. They have to be truthful, and if the facts point in one direction so be it.



agreed. the notion of "balance" is totally bogus.
 
Irvine511 said:




i work in media, i know journalists, and i've been saying this for years.

it's not so much that the networks are made up of conservatives -- and most people who work in news are not social conservatives, though you'd be surprised at how social liberals get fiscially conservative once they start making 6 figures -- or liberals, for that matter.

the overall effect of the news clearly slants conservative for a variety of reasons. the news is, first and foremost, pro-corporation, since it is itself a corproation and since corporations advertise on the networks. secondly, there's been so much hand-wringing over the news having a "liberal" bias -- which Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, has even admitted was a fabrication, little more than "working the refs" -- that there's been an overcompensation to remove the appearance of bias. this is why networks have to present some sort of equivocation between, say, Evolution and Intelligent Design, or they try to present the "other side" of Global Warming. in truth, these are not two sides of an issue with equal merit, but the effect, due to the fear of the perception of bias, is to present the two as somehow worthy of equal time.

also, all of the major networks, CNN, and MSNBC are very centrist in their views -- sensationalist, too, but that's another issue -- as are the major newspapers. sure, you might get a liberal-leaning editorial in the NYT, but that does not influence the reporting (and let's not forget that Judy Miller, a star at the NYT, was tantamount to a mouthpiece for the administration in 2002/3). however, you do have clearly right-leaning newspapers and news outlets, such as Fox News, the Washington Times, etc. simply because the right-wing has certain news outlets in their back pocket does not mean that the left-wing has the same. they don't. most of what is derided as left-wing is as centrist as can be, but the presence of a large, well-funded, well-organized right wing media has the effect of pulling everything to the right.

this is, again, why i think the best possible news out there comes from PBS and NPR. they are funded by taxpayers and are thusly beholden to neither corporations nor ratings. journalists are allowed to be journalists.

Excellent post, Irvine. :up:

And excellent point, Dread.

Simply because a journalist arrives at a conclusion that does not fall into your "camp" doesn't mean they're wrong.
 
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