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Old 12-27-2007, 04:33 PM   #41
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Today on "The Situation Room," Wolf Blitzer revealed an exclusive e-mail he received from Benazir Bhutto's US spokesman Mark Siegel in October. "This is a story she wanted me to tell the world on her behalf if she were killed," Blitzer said, before reading the e-mail.

In the e-mail, Bhutto wrote that, if anything were to happen to her, "I wld [sic] hold Musharaf [sic] responsible. I have been made to feel insecure by his minions, and there is no way what is happening in terms of stopping me from taking private cars or using tinted windows or giving jammers or four police mobiles to cover all sides cld [sic] happen without him."

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She definitely did not have the security she needed. As I said earlier, both al Qaeda and Musharraf are at blame here, but if I were Musharraf I'd go hide in a cave myself because his actions (or lack thereof) have ticked off the people, the US, and he's always in disfavor with the terrorists.

Then there's al Qaeda, it'll be interesting to see if there will be any sort of civilian or military backlash against them as well.
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Benazir Bhutto, shown above in 1972, graduated the following year from Radcliffe College at Harvard University.

By Anna Badkhen and Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff

Benazir Bhutto came to Harvard University as a freshman in 1969 and, despite being the daughter of the prime minister of Pakistan, was a shy 16-year-old.

"She quickly made the transition from a shy girl, very protected and two years younger than almost everybody else, to being part of the community,” recalled Peter Galbraith, Bhutto's classmate, close friend, and a former US ambassador to Croatia. “She quickly made friends."

Bhutto's signature gesture in college was to bake cakes for her friends' birthdays -- chocolate cakes with chocolate icing, which she often decorated with her favorite American Halloween staple -- candy corn, Galbraith said today by phone.

"I do remember one birthday party, where I met my future wife. That was in April and [the candy corn] had become quite stale," Galbraith said. "It was a wonderful gesture, but it’s good that she went into politics instead. She was not a very good cook, but she was a great friend."

Bhutto, who served twice as Pakistan's prime minister between 1988 and 1996, was killed this morning in a suicide attack at a campaign rally in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, that also killed at least 20 others.

When the phone rang at Abbas Hassan's Leominster home this morning for the seventh time, he sensed that something had happened in his native Pakistan.

“This is such a tragic thing,” said Hassan, who served in the administrations of Bhutto and President Pervez Musharraf.

Bhutto had returned to Pakistan from an eight-year exile on Oct. 18. She narrowly escaped injury that day when her homecoming parade in Karachi was targeted in a suicide attack that killed more than 140 people.

"Pakistanis were quite clear that she was taking risks that were endangering her life," said Hassan, a fellow at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government and a doctoral candidate at Tufts' Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. "It became clear she would be eliminated, if not by the terrorists, then by the establishment.”

Bhutto, who had been convicted for failing to appear in court on charges of massive corruption, was a divisive figure among the Pakistani community, said Tahir Chaudhry, president of the Pakistan Association of Greater Boston. Nonetheless, he said, "anybody you talk to right now is upset about this."

"The people I’ve talked to so far feel that this will set Pakistan back," Chaudhry said. "We were moving toward democracy, the military rule was going to go away, there were going to be elections. And now we don’t know what is going to happen."

"This is a huge step backward" for Pakistan, he said.

Bhutto came to Harvard at a time of great social upheaval and joined in antiwar protests, listened to Carly Simon, and attended basketball and hockey games, friends told the Harvard Crimson in a story published in 1989.

"I quickly shed the shalwar khameez [traditional South Asian dress] and reemerged in jeans and sweatshirts from the Harvard Coop," Bhutto wrote in her autobiography, according to the Crimson story. "I let my hair grow long and straight and was flattered when my friends in Eliot Hall told me I looked like Joan Baez."
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Old 12-27-2007, 05:32 PM   #44
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I am sick to my stomach. This just tears at my heart.
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Old 12-27-2007, 05:35 PM   #45
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Sad but not surprising like many have said already. I remember the CNN interview that was aired I think a month or two back when she said she was aware that she was a target and that she was not afraid.

May Benazir's soul rest in peace.
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Old 12-27-2007, 06:15 PM   #46
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She definitely did not have the security she needed.
Indeed she appeared to even be an easy target, given the recent attempt. So sad.
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She definitely did not have the security she needed. As I said earlier, both al Qaeda and Musharraf are at blame here, but if I were Musharraf I'd go hide in a cave myself because his actions (or lack thereof) have ticked off the people, the US, and he's always in disfavor with the terrorists.

Then there's al Qaeda, it'll be interesting to see if there will be any sort of civilian or military backlash against them as well.
Not to blame her, but standing through the sunroof of the car (i.e. when she was shot) probably wasn't the wisest decision. That is a huge security mistake.

Musharraf in power is still preferable to total anarchy. I doubt there'll be a backlash against the extremists in the tribal areas - the military has tried and failed in the past. It's sort of the same difficulty NATO faces in Afghanistan against the Taliban -i.e. NATO is losing there.
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Pakistan has a history of political assassination and other similar murderous activities for a good 60 years - long before al Qaeda was ever around. I wouldn't put too much stock into their claims. It is a convenient boogeyman to blame; certainly more palatable than the alternative?
Yep. It's way too early to blandly go for the Fox News/CNN 'Al Qaeda must have done it. Dem's de bad guys' type of conclusion -mind you, on the other hand I can't see the benefit from Musharraf's point of view of assassinating Bhutto either. He is certainly not a stupid person, and I do not see a positive outcome from these events for him

Actually, if one looks at the question from a 'cui bono' perspective one might look in the direction of the Islamist politicians, like Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan - the latter of whom said some pretty unpleasant things about Bhutto in an article in the UK Daily Telegraph a few months ago.
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Actually, I didn't hear it from CNN, and they are not just speculating. Islamist websites linked to al Qaeda are claiming responsibility.

How much truth there is to the claim I don't know, but al Qaeda has been targeting Bhutto for a long time now, and I don't understand why some find it so hard to believe that yes, al Qaeda actually kills people and not just corrupt governments!
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I don't understand why some find it so hard to believe that yes, al Qaeda actually kills people and not just corrupt governments!
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How much truth there is to the claim I don't know, but al Qaeda has been targeting Bhutto for a long time now, and I don't understand why some find it so hard to believe that yes, al Qaeda actually kills people and not just corrupt governments!
Who and/or what are 'Al Qaeda'?
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Balochistan has seen recent killings of Bhutto supporters. A group like the Baloch Liberation Army can't be ruled out.
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I am deeply saddened by the untimely death of the beautiful Benazir Bhutto. What a tragedy. She was such a bright light for a country in chaos and was so brave to reach out to the Pakistani people. I sincerely hope that someone will step up to the plate and be as brave as she was to help Pakistan become a nation of peace.

Furthermore, I have concerns about the money the U.S. is sending to Pakistan to "stop" the war on terror. We have given in excess of 5 billion dollars yet the Taliban and al Queda (sp?) is getting stronger? This doesn't make sense to me. I think the president of Pakistan may be (or someone within) may be filtering our money to the ones we are trying to fight.
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I am deeply saddened by the untimely death of the beautiful Benazir Bhutto. What a tragedy. She was such a bright light for a country in chaos and was so brave to reach out to the Pakistani people. I sincerely hope that someone will step up to the plate and be as brave as she was to help Pakistan become a nation of peace.
She was not the saint you make her out to be.

RIP.
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Furthermore, I have concerns about the money the U.S. is sending to Pakistan to "stop" the war on terror. We have given in excess of 5 billion dollars yet the Taliban and al Queda (sp?) is getting stronger? This doesn't make sense to me. I think the president of Pakistan may be (or someone within) may be filtering our money to the ones we are trying to fight.
The same could be said for the tens of billions of dollars that the US and NATO have spent in Afghanistan. Military funding does not guarantee results or "victory". NATO is losing in Afghanistan.
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She was not the saint you make her out to be.

I understand that there was quite a scandal before her exile, but she was for helping the people of Pakistan.
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shit................


I've actually been on vacation {day/nite #3 of 4}......

and I mean REALLY on vaction .....
News Junkie that I am..........EVEN when I'm on vacation
i usually read the papers/listen to All News station, plus another one with a particular POV.........

Except this time THATparticular news station-- I can barely get in the part of NYC I am vacationing in (vs my home in another part of NYC)............
SO i figured OK... I'll make it truely a vacation and NOT LISTEN TO the news...............


WHAT the fuck WAS I THINKING coming into FYM tonight !??!!

i just caught the full thread's title then--
I scrolled SO QUICKLY thru the pasted item that I missed the whole assasination thing........UNTIL I looked down the rest of FYM threads.........

*runs around in a metaphorical circle yelling "aaaccccckkkkkkk!!!"*


*puts on Metaphorical Blinders*
I'm going home to drool over Bono & Co{ R&H/Zoo TV DVD's} and Dr Dianel Jackson {SG1} RIGHT NOW!!!!!

oh & BTW since a bunch of you don't know me- since i rarely post here in the past 1 1/2 yrs.......and will think I'm either being sarcastic/?sardonic/ or plain serious about the stuff right above this paragraph here^^^^^^

I was already precocious socio-politically by the time I was 12-13 in 65/66 ( Mayor Lindsey- "it's the second hardest job in America" campaign slogan). I lived (wailed through) 1968 .... & [& other awful times] beyond.
I earned my "drooling rights" a long time ago.

anyway by the time sat will roll around i'll be back in the news stream, and i'll read at least part of this thread.

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She was not the saint you make her out to be.

RIP.
Who is?

Especially in politics. . .

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I found out about the assassination last night. First I read she'd died, then I found out she'd been shot. RIP.
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Actually, if one looks at the question from a 'cui bono' perspective one might look in the direction of the Islamist politicians, like Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan - the latter of whom said some pretty unpleasant things about Bhutto in an article in the UK Daily Telegraph a few months ago.
Even U.S. officials referred to Bhutto as one of the worst PMs ever several years ago.
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